Bible being inspired and inerrant

[rabbitdonkey]

Aside from all that, there is the question of a “valid marriage,” which necessitates “belief” of both parties. “belief” is another of those rather vague terms that are left undefined. Belief in what? What if one party doesn’t believe the Pope in infallible? Is it a valid marriage? You could substitute a large variety of “beliefs” which large numbers of Catholics do not believe in. According to a recent Pew poll, only 40% of Catholics actually believe in transubstantiation. So the other 60% are entering into non-valid Catholic marriages, right? According to the letter of the law, they are. Legalism can come back and bite you when you least expect it.

Not to mention the always popular condition of a “valid marriage”: “they freely give their consent”…who of us is truly free? Not just a philosophical question but a very practical one. You have genetic dispositions, social pressure from family and friends, psychological issues, etc. I think upon sober reflection, most people would conclude that no one is truly free. No one. So can anyone then enter a “valid marriage” or is it some sort of Platonic ideal?

In sum, there is plenty of wiggle room. As I said, it’s not black and white. The more you take a look at any issue–like this one–the fuzzier and grayer it gets. Those who deny that (several have attacked me in this thread and claim that every issue is just black and white) simply are showing they have not thought about the issue enough or done enough research.

I really have nothing else to say on the issue, so have at me. I won’t respond! Over and out.

I know you wont respond but a valid marriage is not just an ideal,(i know thats probably not what you meant).

 

[tonyrey]

Aside from all that, there is the question of a “valid marriage,” which necessitates “belief” of both parties. “belief” is another of those rather vague terms that are left undefined. Belief in what? What if one party doesn’t believe the Pope in infallible? Is it a valid marriage? You could substitute a large variety of “beliefs” which large numbers of Catholics do not believe in. According to a recent Pew poll, only 40% of Catholics actually believe in transubstantiation. So the other 60% are entering into non-valid Catholic marriages, right? According to the letter of the law, they are. Legalism can come back and bite you when you least expect it.

Not to mention the always popular condition of a “valid marriage”: “they freely give their consent”…who of us is truly free? Not just a philosophical question but a very practical one. You have genetic dispositions, social pressure from family and friends, psychological issues, etc. I think upon sober reflection, most people would conclude that no one is truly free. No one. So can anyone then enter a “valid marriage” or is it some sort of Platonic ideal?

In sum, there is plenty of wiggle room. As I said, it’s not black and white. The more you take a look at any issue–like this one–the fuzzier and grayer it gets. Those who deny that (several have attacked me in this thread and claim that every issue is just black and white) simply are showing they have not thought about the issue enough or done enough research.

I really have nothing else to say on the issue, so have at me. I won’t respond! Over and out.

If no one is truly free in any respect it is unlikely that anyone will ever know the truth!

 

[tonyrey]

Aside from all that, there is the question of a “valid marriage,” which necessitates “belief” of both parties. “belief” is another of those rather vague terms that are left undefined. Belief in what? What if one party doesn’t believe the Pope in infallible? Is it a valid marriage? You could substitute a large variety of “beliefs” which large numbers of Catholics do not believe in. According to a recent Pew poll, only 40% of Catholics actually believe in transubstantiation. So the other 60% are entering into non-valid Catholic marriages, right? According to the letter of the law, they are. Legalism can come back and bite you when you least expect it.

Not to mention the always popular condition of a “valid marriage”: “they freely give their consent”…who of us is truly free? Not just a philosophical question but a very practical one. You have genetic dispositions, social pressure from family and friends, psychological issues, etc. I think upon sober reflection, most people would conclude that no one is truly free. No one. So can anyone then enter a “valid marriage” or is it some sort of Platonic ideal?

In sum, there is plenty of wiggle room. As I said, it’s not black and white. The more you take a look at any issue–like this one–the fuzzier and grayer it gets. Those who deny that (several have attacked me in this thread and claim that every issue is just black and white) simply are showing they have not thought about the issue enough or done enough research.

I really have nothing else to say on the issue, so have at me. I won’t respond! Over and out.

Failure to respond is a sign of inability to respond!