Bible being the Sole Authority??

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I gotta say(apart from the concept that the refusal to believe in the authority of the Papacy (the man) makes for a less than perfect view of the Godhead, and the refusal to accept the idea that a Church body can speak infallibly insults the Holy Spirit) the whole argument of sola scriptura vs. tradition is bogus from the get go, simply because the Scripture as we know it was derived through tradition to begin with, tradition is the only reason there IS a Scripture to read in the first place as it was handed down orally, not in writing for the first three to four hundred years anyway. What was written was what was traditionally orated so if one throws out tradition, one MUST in all honesty throw out Scripture with it…
Once a person throws out Tradition (Scripture), the ability of the Holy Spirit to work through a mere man (Papacy and Infallibility) remind me again of exactly WHY the person would even attend a church of any denomination on a Sunday? Why not go golfing instead? What’s left?
 
marywarfield said:
I gotta say(apart from the concept that the refusal to believe in the authority of the Papacy (the man) makes for a less than perfect view of the Godhead, and the refusal to accept the idea that a Church body can speak infallibly insults the Holy Spirit) the whole argument of sola scriptura vs. tradition is bogus from the get go, simply because the Scripture as we know it was derived through tradition to begin with, tradition is the only reason there IS a Scripture to read in the first place as it was handed down orally, not in writing for the first three to four hundred years anyway. What was written was what was traditionally orated so if one throws out tradition, one MUST in all honesty throw out Scripture with it…
Once a person throws out Tradition (Scripture), the ability of the Holy Spirit to work through a mere man (Papacy and Infallibility) remind me again of exactly WHY the person would even attend a church of any denomination on a Sunday? Why not go golfing instead? What’s left?
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marywarfield said:
I gotta say(apart from the concept that the refusal to believe in the authority of the Papacy (the man) makes for a less than perfect view of the Godhead, and the refusal to accept the idea that a Church body can speak infallibly insults the Holy Spirit) the whole argument of sola scriptura vs. tradition is bogus from the get go, simply because the Scripture as we know it was derived through tradition to begin with, tradition is the only reason there IS a Scripture to read in the first place as it was handed down orally, not in writing for the first three to four hundred years anyway. What was written was what was traditionally orated so if one throws out tradition, one MUST in all honesty throw out Scripture with it…
Once a person throws out Tradition (Scripture), the ability of the Holy Spirit to work through a mere man (Papacy and Infallibility) remind me again of exactly WHY the person would even attend a church of any denomination on a Sunday? Why not go golfing instead? What’s left?
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marywarfield said:
I gotta say(apart from the concept that the refusal to believe in the authority of the Papacy (the man) makes for a less than perfect view of the Godhead, and the refusal to accept the idea that a Church body can speak infallibly insults the Holy Spirit) the whole argument of sola scriptura vs. tradition is bogus from the get go, simply because the Scripture as we know it was derived through tradition to begin with, tradition is the only reason there IS a Scripture to read in the first place as it was handed down orally, not in writing for the first three to four hundred years anyway. What was written was what was traditionally orated so if one throws out tradition, one MUST in all honesty throw out Scripture with it…
Once a person throws out Tradition (Scripture), the ability of the Holy Spirit to work through a mere man (Papacy and Infallibility) remind me again of exactly WHY the person would even attend a church of any denomination on a Sunday? Why not go golfing instead? What’s left?
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Mary,

Because in many and various ways God spoke to us through His Prophets and in these last days He spoke to us through His son…He spoke, others listened and told others that listened and put together the book to read and the speaking and talking continued so that there would always be a shepherd to tell us what was heard…

Why would you attend a Church for any reason except if you read what God told the Prophets is that He would build a house…Church…where all could gather and hear what He wanted you to know…so that you could go and tell other people…and you could do that on Sunday and when you hear all that is said and know what it is you should know…

when you go golfing, standing next to your friends, you can turn to one of them and say
as they yell fore…

For this reason He gave us a Son, that we may have eternal life, and you can find Him in the house He built…wanna come with me next Sunday…
 
Granted, still have to get through RCIA when it starts up again, I’ll need to get a copy of the CCC, and Catholicism for Dummies…But, what the heck. Why fight the ineveitble?
 
batman1973 said:
Go old school, or go home. St. Vincent de Paul church in KCMO.
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Bat,

Why SSPX and not just any old Catholic Church?

I have always like that song…

Give me that old time religion, that old time religion…that old time religion…good enough for me…
 
batman1973 said:
Granted, still have to get through RCIA when it starts up again, I’ll need to get a copy of the CCC, and Catholicism for Dummies…But, what the heck. Why fight the ineveitble?
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God Bless you on your journey!
 
batman1973 said:
Granted, still have to get through RCIA when it starts up again, I’ll need to get a copy of the CCC, and Catholicism for Dummies…But, what the heck. Why fight the ineveitble?
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Bat,

Do yourself a favor and get the Audio Catechism USA for adults…you can listen more often than you can read and after a week you will get through it…I am over a dozen times through it…really a great way to

repent=change your mind

and

be not conformed to the world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind…
 
CopticChristian said:
Bat,

Why SSPX and not just any old Catholic Church?

I have always like that song…

Give me that old time religion, that old time religion…that old time religion…good enough for me…
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That is a good song: If it’s good enough for old Moses, if it’s good enough for old Moses, it’s good enough for me.😃 SSPX, does the Tridentine Mass. No fancy masses. Just good old fashioned mass. I’m gonna have to learn Latin.
 
benjohnson said:
This is a very fundamental question, and a question that evanswer I think.
ery Lutheran should think long and hard about, and continue to ask themselves. If we can’t rightfully claim to be a continuation of the Western Church - then we need to immediately stop and look around us.
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pablope said:
Are these continuing to be barriers because you choose to continue to make them barriers?
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Good question - in a practical sense, recent dogmas about the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Papal Office don’t effect salvation.

But here’s the nexus of the problem… while I’d love to be in communion with the Catholic church more than in spirit, I don’t have any desire to leave the church that has formed my faith, as I don’t see any need whatsoever.

As I see my own church as valid, I don’t see any need to become Catholic.
 
marywarfield said:
I gotta say(apart from the concept that the refusal to believe in the authority of the Papacy (the man) makes for a less than perfect view of the Godhead, and the refusal to accept the idea that a Church body can speak infallibly insults the Holy Spirit) the whole argument of sola scriptura vs. tradition is bogus from the get go, simply because the Scripture as we know it was derived through tradition to begin with, tradition is the only reason there IS a Scripture to read in the first place as it was handed down orally, not in writing for the first three to four hundred years anyway. What was written was what was traditionally orated so if one throws out tradition, one MUST in all honesty throw out Scripture with it…
Once a person throws out Tradition (Scripture), the ability of the Holy Spirit to work through a mere man (Papacy and Infallibility) remind me again of exactly WHY the person would even attend a church of any denomination on a Sunday? Why not go golfing instead? What’s left?
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Hey Mary. That’s pretty much the conclusion that I came to, as a former non-Catholic. Why embrace the holy Bible as the infallible word of God, and then reject its source: Catholic Church authority. It was Jesus’ Catholic Church that was responsible for preserving (hundreds of years before the first Protestant Church) Sacred Scripture, and when it came time to officially defining the holy canon, ( a couple hundred years after the apostolic age) the Catholic Church deferred to Sacred Tradition to determine exactly what should and should not be a part of the holy canon.

I am often told by non-Catholics: if it was taught and promulgated after the apostolic age then it is a man-made tradition that is to be rejected. Stick with scripture alone! Well, if they are right then I should not only reject sola scriptura but the holy Bible as well. 🤷
 
benjohnson said:
Good question - in a practical sense, recent dogmas about the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Papal Office don’t effect salvation.

Well…who is to say what effects and what does not effect salvation? The individual or an authoritative entity?
I don’t have any desire to leave the church that has formed my faith, as I don’t see any need whatsoever.
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