Bible being the Sole Authority??

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aidanbradypop said:
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Too bad. He made it so easy to point out the error of his ways. It’s funny, for those like him who say Catholicism is a false religion, they nevertheless take the holy book of that false religion and then try to construct a true religion from it.

That doesn’ make any sense to me.
 
srtc10 said:
I would not craft the question in such a manner and I would not use the word “propose” but my answer would be the born again believer.
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Maybe srtc10 is lurking here…I hope so because he is a great example of skewed thinking, such as the statement above.

Because if it’s true that it takes a born again believer to interpret scripture, then a non-born again person cannot. However, the laugh of it is, in the Protestant paradigm one becomes born again and saved by reading scripture! (The Gideons and the American Bible Society believe that by leaving bibles around people can get saved.) Which is contradictory since a non-believer by definition cannot understant the bible in the first place.
 
JonNC said:
And I would not argue the point, on any of these. My wife and I were married in a sanctuary, and that wedding was a full Lutheran mass. I believe that is the way it ought to be. Our pastor was ordained in a sanctuary as part of a full Lutheran mass. That is the proper way for it. But this wasn’t my point. My point was that, where two or three are gathered, there He is also, and to this extent a beach can be and is a sacred place. What is more important is not the location, but what is done in His name

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Jon, True, where two or three are gathered in the name of Jesus Christ, there He is also. However a beach can not be a sacred place. Jon, If you believe a beach is a sacred place then the whole world is a sacred place because Our Lord is everywhere. Marriage should only be in a Church on consecrated grounds.
To say that Christ did not leave us His word just isn’t the case, and He referenced the written word quite often - “it is written”. And He left us His Church, and He made us a royal priesthood, and indeed He told us to “take it to the Church”.
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If someone believes in the gospel that Rome teaches, then no, I don’t believe they are a Christian.
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This is has to be the biggest absurdity I have ever heard. The Gospel that Rome teaches? So using your belief I conclude, there exist thousands of gospels because there exist thousands of denominations.
 
Nicea325 said:
This is has to be the biggest absurdity I have ever heard. The Gospel that Rome teaches? So using your belief I conclude that their exist thousands of gospels because there exist thousands of denominations.
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Mike_SoCal said:
We could argue over scripture being the “Sole” authority but I’d rather point out scriptures importance over any other authorities.

I looked up the phrase “It is written” in the Catholic Bible and it appeared 76 times.

Most notably when Jesus is tempted by Satan. Jesus argues with scripture.
He argued with the Pharisees using scripture.

If your ministry is the Great Commission or spreading The Salvation Message, the best two books to teach are Romans and John’s Gospel.

People will always argue over church tradition but Christian theology is based on scripture.

Jesus wasn’t too tolerant of tradition over God’s word.

Mark 7:9
Then he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition!

Theologians wrote their opinions and interpretations over the ages but God’s word is preserved and speaks to us today.
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Explain how you came to the conclusion the phrase, “It is written” absolutely means: Scripture is the sole-only authority?

The phrase"It is written" means exactly that: It is written.
 
srtc10 said:
If someone believes in the gospel that Rome teaches, then no, I don’t believe they are a Christian.
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Uh… no.

It’s the other way around.

If someone doesn’t believe in the Gospel, the same Gospel that the good Bishop of Rome teaches and preaches, then he is not a Christian.

I can think of no other more concise definition (perhaps a bit too concise) of what it means to be a Christian than if you ‘believe in the Gospel of the Lord.’
 
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Jon, True, where two or three are gathered in the name of Jesus Christ, there He is also. However a beach can not be a sacred place. Jon, If you believe a beach is a sacred place then the whole world is a sacred place because Our Lord is everywhere. Marriage should only be in a Church on consecrated grounds.
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God’s creation cannot be a sacred place? It may be the Catholic practice to restrict marriage in a church, and that’s fine. as I said, I too think that is where a marriage ought to take place, but not because God’s creation isn’t sacred.
Jon, as you quoted above “Take it to the Church” is correct! therefore Marriage should be only “taking to the Church” and not to a beach!
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So, the Church cannot be found in God’s creation?
“As you step through the door of your church you will leave the secular world and enter into a spiritual world. You will remove yourself from worldly distractions in order to immerse yourselves in the word of God. Through sacred music and sacred Scripture Readings, you will invite your guests and your entire faith community to pray and celebrate with you. The acceptance of this vocation is a momentous occasion for both the Church and your personal faith community. As with any significant occasion in a community, it must be accessible to all and celebrated through a ceremony that truly respects the dignity of the occasion”.
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Your ceremony will be rich in Catholic religious traditions and expressions of faith that have endured throughout the centuries. Whether your ceremony is centered on the word of God through Scripture Readings and song, or if you are also including a celebration of the Eucharist, it will become a sacred promise between the couple and God, made in the house of God. His house, your parish church, will become your spiritual home now and throughout your future marriage".
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This is beautiful and an excellent statement as to why a sancturary is the place for a wedding, but it doesn’t exclude God’s creation as sacred, as well.

Jon
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mackbrislawn said:
Too bad. He made it so easy to point out the error of his ways. It’s funny, for those like him who say Catholicism is a false religion, they nevertheless take the holy book of that false religion and then try to construct a true religion from it.

That doesn’ make any sense to me.
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The more years pass, and ther farther I am away from that kind of fundamentalism, the more bizarre it looks now. I wish these people (oh heck I wish I had years ago) the knowledge and clairity to truly see what they look like.
If they did, they would recognize it is not even remotely Christian.

Years ago a pastor explained sin was “missing the mark”. Like an archer shooting an arrow at a target? No, the pastor explained. They are aiming at the wrong target.
Fundamentalism took the target God set in place and replaced it with thier own.
The sad part is, they can’t even hit that target.
 
JonNC So, the Church cannot be found in God’s creation?
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Hey Jon. Sure it can!
"In general, the Church’s assumption is that while Mass should be celebrated in the most reverent environment possible, it is often better to celebrate it in a less ideal place than not to celebrate it at all. What sort of scenario constitutes a “particular necessity” that would permit Mass to be celebrated in a place other than a church or chapel? For starters, any Catholic who has served in the military will point out that on countless occasions, Catholic priests who serve as military chaplains must of necessity celebrate the Eucharist** in tents or in the open air, on land or at sea. "**
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catholicexchange.com/does-mass-have-to-be-said-in-a-church/
 
JonNC said:
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God’s creation cannot be a sacred place? It may be the Catholic practice to restrict marriage in a church, and that’s fine. as I said, I too think that is where a marriage ought to take place, but not because God’s creation isn’t sacred.
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Jon, only on Consecrated Grounds

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aidanbradypop said:
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Yes. 'Tis a shame. He needed to be here and in dialogue with knowledgeable Catholics (and a few Lutherans, too, who shall remain nameless ;))

But I post mainly to continue to dialogue and for the lurkers. Not really in an attempt to converse with some folks, who I know are recusant to any truth that night be proffered.
 
Mike_SoCal said:
We could argue over scripture being the “Sole” authority but I’d rather point out scriptures importance over any other authorities.
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As a member of CAF, you may start a thread on that, if you wish.
 
If 2 Tim. 3:16 teaches that the bible is the sole rule of faith would it be unreasonable then to believe that we are saved by works alone?

I desire you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to apply themselves to good deeds; these are excellent and profitable to men. Titus 3:8

All scripture is inspired by God and profitable… 2 Tim 3:16

Not that I believe in works alone salvation but to me Titus puts an even bigger emphasis on works than 2 Tim puts on scripture going above and beyond calling them profitable and calling good deeds, “excellent.”

God bless
 
Roman_Catholic said:
If 2 Tim. 3:16 teaches that the bible is the sole rule of faith would it be unreasonable then to believe that we are saved by works alone?

I desire you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to apply themselves to good deeds; these are excellent and profitable to men. Titus 3:8

All scripture is inspired by God and profitable… 2 Tim 3:16

Not that I believe in works alone salvation but to me Titus puts an even bigger emphasis on works than 2 Tim puts on scripture going above and beyond calling them profitable and calling good deeds, “excellent.”

God bless
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Protestant who speak of Bible/Faith Alone really do not believe that in its truest sense. My Lutheran friend believes in faith alone but also believes that if one’s faith does not produce good fruit then it is not faith.
 
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