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JGD
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The Catholic New American Bible used at Mass (see vs. 14) and the earlier English translation of the Douay Rheims (see vs. 17) do not use contain the word “continually”.
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OurLadyofSorrows
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Yes the rejection of the rules is a mixture of politics and as in other religions, the loss of unity and a certain level of piety. Any attempt by these breakaway groups at a sacrifice would not be the continuity of a religious practice with all its law laid down in Torah.
It would not be a religious practice, then, at all. It would only be a political statement.
It would not be a religious practice, then, at all. It would only be a political statement.
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mythbuster1
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The daily holocaust was offered once in the morning and once in the evening, but it took almost twelve hours for the flames to consume the lamb, so by the time one sacrifice was completed, it was time for the next one. The priests would clear the ashes, slaughter and skin the next lamb, and light the fire basically in a continuous act.
po18guy
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The third Temple is Christ’s Body. John 2:19-22. I have no idea what efficacy will apply to sacrifices made under the Mosaic law, as it has been fulfilled. Matthew 5:17, Ephesians 2:14-16
Of note here is that, with the exception of Saint Luke (Gospel and Acts) all of the New Testament writers were Hebrews.
Some believe otherwise, but someone must be right and someone wrong. As Mark Knopfler sang in the dire Straits’ song “Industrial Disease”
Of note here is that, with the exception of Saint Luke (Gospel and Acts) all of the New Testament writers were Hebrews.
Some believe otherwise, but someone must be right and someone wrong. As Mark Knopfler sang in the dire Straits’ song “Industrial Disease”
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Autumn-Smoke
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Any future sacrifices in a third temple will have no efficacy.
About 40 years before the temple was destroyed, (which Christians believe it was right after the time of Jesus’ death/resurrection) several signs happened regarding the temple and temple sacrifices. These signs are recorded in Jewish history. 2 very important signs were regarding the Day of Atonement ceremony. Here is one of them that especially stands out: When the two goats were chosen–one to be sacrificed to make atonement and the other as the scapegoat to be set free, a red chord was wrapped around then scapegoat’s neck in order to tell the two goats apart because they had to be identical. The sins were laid on the scapegoat and the “innocent” goat was sacrificed. After the sacrifice the red chord would “miraculously” turn white signifying that God had accepted their sacrifice. (“Though your sins are like scarlet, I will make them white as snow”) But somewhere after 30 a.d. the red chord no longer turned white–signifying that God no longer accepted this sacrifice because Jesus’ sacrifice had fulfilled the requirement. (That’s the explanation Christians would give.)
There were also 3 other signs. I’ll just copy the signs here and note a website for reference.
‘Forty years before the destruction of the Temple,’ says the Jerusalem Talmud, ‘the western light went out, the crimson thread remained crimson, and the lot for the Lord always came up in the left hand. They would close the gates of the Temple by night and get up in the morning and find them wide open’ ( The Yerushalmi , translated by Jacob Neusner, p.156f).
According to the Babylonian Talmud, ‘Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘for the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-colored strap become white; nor did the western-most light shine; and the doors of the Hekal (Temple) would open by themselves’ (The Soncino Talmud , tractate ‘Yoma,’ 39b).
Here’s this particular website: Miracles of Yom Kippur – Etz Chayim Messianic Synagogue
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mythbuster1
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To be fair, they don’t think the animal sacrifices would be efficacious; they just believe that the Temple needs to be rebuilt because prophecy requires it. They fully expect that such a temple would be used by the Antichrist to deceive the world.
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Autumn-Smoke
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Yes, Evangelicals believe that the prophecies about The Man of Lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 will be accomplished in a third temple. But they believe that the rapture will happen before the Anti-Christ is revealed so they are excited about talk of a third temple because it theoretically means that the rapture is right around the corner.
"Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."
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Autumn-Smoke
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Yes, they are obsessed with Israel becoming a nation in 1948 because they believe this event started the fulfillment of end-time prophecies and that the “End Times” are now in full swing since this has happened. They see this event as the fulfillment of many Old Testament prophecies in which God promised to bring the Jewish people back to Israel from the ends of the earth, not just from Babylon or Assyria where they had been lead into captivity.
They would say that “Trampling down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles” has ended and that this fulfills Jesus’ prophecy about the time of the gentiles being ended as they no longer rule in Israel. “They will be killed by the sword or sent away as captives to all the nations of the world. And Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the period of the Gentiles comes to an end.” (Luke 21:24)
They would also see that Israel became a nation in just one day (May 14, 1948) which they say fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah 66:8 which says, “Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children.”
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mythbuster1
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And I do not say that the Evangelicals are wrong that the Jews will rebuild the Temple only for it to be defiled by the Antichrist. As assuredly as the Jews continued Temple sacrifices for a generation after Christ’s death, so too do they desire to restore them now that they control Jerusalem. Whether the Antichrist will defile a rebuilt Jewish Temple or St. Peter’s Basilica, time will tell, and it is senseless to speculate.
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