Bible, Quran – Beauties Beyond Comparison?

[trdchubi]

**[23:12] وَلَقَدْخَلَقْنَاالْاِنْسَانَمِنْسُلٰلَةٍمِّنْطِيْنٍ‌ۚ‏****

[23:12] Verily, We created man from an extract of clay;

[23:13] ثُمَّجَعَلْنٰهُنُطْفَةًفِىْقَرَارٍمَّكِيْنٍ‏

[23:13] Then We placed him as a drop of sperm in a safe depository;

[23:14] ثُمَّخَلَقْنَاالنُّطْفَةَعَلَقَةًفَخَلَقْنَاالْعَلَقَةَمُضْغَةًفَخَلَقْنَاالْمُضْغَةَعِظٰمًافَكَسَوْنَاالْعِظٰمَلَحْمًاثُمَّاَنْشَاْنٰهُخَلْقًااٰخَرَ‌ؕفَتَبٰرَكَاللّٰهُاَحْسَنُالْخٰلِقِيْنَؕ‏

[23:14] Then We fashioned the sperm into a clot; then We fashioned the clot into a shapeless lump; then We fashioned bones out of this shapeless lump; then We clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed it into another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators. **

 The way this verse is structured in Arabic means that allah created man from a drop which he placed in a safe place (a uterus?), then this drop was created into something sticky (alaq), then this sticky thing was made into a lump (which looks like something that has been chewed) then this lump was fashioned into bone, then allah dressed this bone with flesh.

NOW THAT IS ONE HECK OF A GOOD STUDY to promote miracles of the quran.

 

[trdchubi]

I agree absolutely that, the Quranic description of procreation from a drop of fluid is something that is clearly observable to human beings and has been known to mankind throughout history.

However that does not mean to say, that the Quran has not provided any new information on embryology or referred to any facts that would have been beyond human observation. As for the meaning of the word ‘nutfah’, the word simply means ‘drop’ or ‘small dribbling quantity of liquid’. In verses where ejaculation is clearly referred to i.e. ‘nutfah gushing forth’ it clearly does refer to sperm. However that does not exclude the possibility that it might have another meaning in verses where ejaculation is not discussed.

With muhamets sexual escapades, I wonder if one of his sex slaves has had a miscarriage resulting from detestation on the profit’s perverted conducts . All this observation must have come from one of his mistress having a miscarriage. The notfa (drop), alaqa (sticky thing, or blood clot), mudgha (lump) is a good description of what comes out when a lady has had a miscarriage.

Verses 86:5-7 do not mention ‘kidney’. Nor does any other verse! No such word in the Quran.
The Quran simply states that man is created from the ejaculated fluid, which is emitted from within the abdomen. (From “between the ribcage and the spine”)
No mention of ‘semen production’ or ‘kidneys’

And where is the abdomen and the abdominal organs?

http://medicalimages.allrefer.com/large/abdominal-organs-1.jpg

by the way , Semen DOES NOT COME from the testicles, period! It is neither produced in the testicles, nor does it come from the testicles during the time of coitus!

And that is a scientific fact! Thirteen centuries ago even the scientific community thought that semen is produced in the testicles.

Yes this dr. munir mushey is forgetting the whole idea of reproduction: That sperm comes from the testicles, where the so called 2% - 5% is the most important thing. Men produce millions of sperm cells in their testicles to fertilize just one women’s egg cell from the ovary. NOT Fluid in itself but a cell.

So you suggest that mohammed (pbuh) was interested with science !!
well , let me say that quran didn’t use the scientific facts which proofed lately that it’s wrong , let us say that he used only the corrects one , i think that this assumption will make you focus on errors in quran , not on the source of information file:///C:/Users/User/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif

Hmmm… On the science of sexual reproduction I may say he has exemplary expertise. The “profit” has so many subjects to try his studies — and they are willing ones.

 

[trdchubi]

What does the Quran really say?

Question: What is it that man is created from? Answer:
(He is) created from the surging fluid! 87:6

Famous translators have rendered these four words as:
“Created from a drop emitted” (Yusuf Ali).
“Created from a gushing fluid” (Pickthal).
“Water pouring forth” (Shakir).
“Created from a fluid poured forth” (Zafraullah khan).
“Spurt of water” (Hamidullah).

The statement of the Quran is absolutely correct!

Well yeah and don’t you think that your profit was a bit to late to say such revelations when this statement is already common knowledge and an observational information during those times?

So how is man created? Scientifically, human beings reproduce through the union of the male sperm cell and female egg cell.

Surging fluid? Sounds like the profit indeed.

 

[trdchubi]

**[23:12] وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْاِنْسَانَ مِنْ سُلٰلَةٍ مِّنْ طِيْنٍ‌ۚ‏

[23:12] Verily, We created man from an extract of clay;​

[23:13] ثُمَّ جَعَلْنٰهُ نُطْفَةً فِىْ قَرَارٍ مَّكِيْنٍ‏

[23:13] Then We placed him as a drop of sperm in a safe depository;​

[23:14] ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظٰمًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظٰمَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ اَنْشَاْنٰهُ خَلْقًا اٰخَرَ‌ؕ فَتَبٰرَكَ اللّٰهُ اَحْسَنُ الْخٰلِقِيْنَؕ‏

[23:14] Then We fashioned the sperm into a clot; then We fashioned the clot into a shapeless lump; then We fashioned bones out of this shapeless lump; then We clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed it into another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators. **

And again where is the contribution of women in the reproduction process. It seems that males just pass the human being (semen, sperm, fluid) inside the vessel of the women?

Again it holds true, women are useless in the quran. They are nothing but mere load carriers at men’s disposal.

 

[Jay53]

first of all , you believe that it isn’t accurate and precise , but it still correct statement .
don’t forget that i challanged you to find errors

No, it is NOT a correct statement - that’s what I’m trying to tell you. Semen DOES NOT originate “between the ribcage and the spine”. You are trying to stretch this to mean that the quoted part just means “inside the body” so that it is correct.

secondly , i don’t think that the main purpose of this verse is to inform muslims the scientific name of the place where semen be generated .
i told you that These words ask you to look at how insignificant is the beginning of man.
quran just have simple indications that these words are from God not from simple man lived in desert 1400 years ago among pagans whom had no scietific knowledge at all

Ok, if that’s what you believe, but that doesn’t change the fact that the “scientific” aspect of the statement is not correct.

it dosn’t matter with me if you believed that quran isn’t from God , your problem with me is about if you can show me that quran isn’t from god
just one error in quran is enough for me

That’s easy. I’ve already done that - you just won’t accept it. 1.)The Quran denies the Crucifixion of Jesus - which really did happen. 2.) The Quran contradicts previous scriptures.

And, I don’t have a ‘problem’ with you, I just don’t agree with your theology.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

That is the miracle of the Quran! Its words seem always to be in agreement with what science has observed and determined with certainty.

That is not a miracle, especially since, as I pointed out before, and which you have not refuted nor disagreed with, much of what is written in the Koran was already known (or at least believed) at the time of Mohammad. As I said before, if I wrote a religious book that said the planets revolved around the sun, and someone 1000 years later claimed my book was a miracle because I said something which was a scientific fact, disregarding what was known about the universe in 2009…well, that would just be silly. Of course, if any follower of a religion, which by definition believes in the supernatural, believes a “miracle” pertains only to the purely natural, in particular when all miracles that came before it dealt purely with the supernatural, then I question the priorities and theological understanding of that religion’s faithful.

 

[seraphime2008]

They are hatching a nefarious plot. But I, too, shall devise a scheme! So give the unbelievers a little respite. Deal with them gently for a while.

So, give a respite to the disbelievers
this is command from God to the prophet/reader which means : wait for them and do not be in haste concerning them.
(deal gently with them for a while.)
a little while. This means that you will see what befalls them of torment, punishment and destruction.

as for in another verse god says
we let them enjoy for a little while, then in the end We shall oblige them to (enter) a great torment.) (31:24)

I don’t mind God punish me or chastise me or anybody for correction, but I really object to people playing God by becoming the judge of the soul of other people, by becoming the executor of punishment, by becoming the self righteous feeling holier than other people! I also reject the notion that God will play a scheme to deceive people, instead of directly giving them directions at the same time free will, to know whether they would take the lesson or punishment as necessary for correction.

 

[geometer]

Here is a nice talk by a Rabbi about how Israel is written about in the Koran.

He is a little rough around the edges, but I think he can read…At least I hope he got that part right:thumbsup:

Israel in the Koran

 

[Hadi]

Here is a nice talk by a Rabbi about how Israel is written about in the Koran.

He is a little rough around the edges, but I think he can read…At least I hope he got that part right:thumbsup:

Israel in the Koran

And what is your comment on that ?

 

[elwill]

And again where is the contribution of women in the reproduction process. It seems that males just pass the human being (semen, sperm, fluid) inside the vessel of the women?

Again it holds true, women are useless in the quran. They are nothing but mere load carriers at men’s disposal.

actualy it’s scientific fact that males just pass the human being inside the vessel of the women

 

[elwill]

No, it is NOT a correct statement - that’s what I’m trying to tell you. Semen DOES NOT originate “between the ribcage and the spine”. You are trying to stretch this to mean that the quoted part just means “inside the body” so that it is correct.

then tell me where it originated , and give me your scienfic reference
if you insist that there is somthing wrong , then you have to give me the correct one

 

[geometer]

And what is your comment on that ?

Did he read the Koran correctly?

 

[planten]

**

Here is a nice talk by a Rabbi about how Israel is written about in the Koran.

He is a little rough around the edges, but I think he can read…At least I hope he got that part right:thumbsup:

Israel in the Koran

**

geometer, I have listened to that video about Israel in the Koran. There are two points discussed in that video.

1. About Mary being the sister of aaron.
   2, About palestine being the promised land of the Israelis.

Both points are correct as follows:

Quran did not say, “O Mary, Sister of Moses…” Why? because of the nature of the work that she was doing at the temple ( inside the temple) from the very young age, until her marriage to joseph the carpentar.

She was serving at the temple and belonged to God. That was the same duty given to Aaron and his children, the Levites, to serve at the temple. that is why Quran related Mary to aaron and not to Moses. The language and merit of the Quranic words is very high. No one should think that Mary,the mothe rof Jesus was the real sister of Aaron. That would be faulty matter.

Some Muslims have tried to avoid this difficult situation by saying that mary may have had a brother named Aaron in her own time. that is useless thought, looking for excuses and making up false excuses. Maryam had no brother named Aaron. She is called the daughter of Imran because of her belonging to the Family of Imran (The father of Moses and aaron).

1. The second point. There is no doubt that the land of palestine was promised by Allah to Abraham and his children. They (The children of Issac) inherited it after a very long time when they came out of Egypt. The land belonged to them and they were rightful owners of it. No mistake in that. The quran recognises that right.

But it also important to note that King david had said “The righteous will inherit the land.”

As long as the Jews were righteous,they inherited the promised land. When they went astray, they lost the land to many kings, even to the Romans. The christians then took over the land because they were righteous and their deeds were good.

After that came the Muslims. They took over from the christians because the Muslims were righteous,more than the christains.

Now the Jews are more righteous than any one else. So theyhave come back home in their promised land. I see it like that. Land belongs to Allah. He gives it to his better qualified servants and takes it away from the ignorant beligrants. period.

 

[geometer]

Now the Jews are more righteous than any one else. So theyhave come back home in their promised land. I see it like that. Land belongs to Allah. He gives it to his better qualified servants and takes it away from the ignorant beligrants. period.

Well, I feel that you see this very kindly. Do most Moslems understand that this is what the Koran allows?

 

[planten]

Well, I feel that you see this very kindly. Do most Moslems understand that this is what the Koran allows?

**geometer, there is no kindness on my part. God is very kind and merciful. I feel that I am right in what I have said. I doubt if the muslims will agree to that. I have no control over them. I see that the Muslims all over the world are in bad shape, materially, physically, financially, mentally and spiritually. They have lost everything. God is not with the majority Muslims. They have the Quran. But they do not understand it at all.

On top of that they wanted to settle the score with non-Muslim nations by their weapons (Jihad, with pistols). That was another wrong lesson given to the poor Muslims, The world has advanced very much, nearly all nations have advanced educationally and politically. But the Muslims have become backward and ignorant. So they suffer and they will suffer all the more unless they will become very peaceful.

Religion is not politics. The Muslims have made Islam into political religion. Religious politics is alright and permissible to some extent, i.e. the religious politics of the Jews and the church and the Muslims. But political religions are horrible and bound to fail in the long run. It is a time to live and let live.
**

 

[Hadi]

Did he read the Koran correctly?

I watched the video long time ago , I’m interested in your comment on it

 

[elwill]

Well, I feel that you see this very kindly. Do most Moslems understand that this is what the Koran allows?

allah said in quran

And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: Ye verily will work corruption in the earth twice, and ye will become great tyrants.

So when the time for the first of the two came, We roused against you slaves of Ours of great might who ravaged (your) country, and it was a threat performed.

Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery.

(Saying): If ye do good, ye do good for your own souls, and if ye do evil, it is for them (in like manner). So, when the time for the second (of the judgments) came (We roused against you others of Our slaves) to ravage you, and to enter the Temple even as they entered it the first time, and to lay waste all that they conquered with an utter wasting.

It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat (the crime) We shall repeat (the punishment), and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.

i believe that they mischief in the earth nowadays , and i believe that their end is very close

 

[geometer]

**geometer, there is no kindness on my part. God is very kind and merciful. I feel that I am right in what I have said. **

Sometimes the most important thing is not in what you say that is right. There are some people in the town that I live in that have completely lost their composure when they simply laid eyes on me.

I do not know how many people encounter these types. But I believe that there are quite a number of people everywhere today that meditate on evil, all of the time. I don’t believe that these people are mentally ill meaning that they are not functional, but they are instead spiritually ill in that they suffer from obsession.

Just within the last month, a man that knew of me but did not know me at all, went into a complete rage when I said something out loud that was a bit off color. I did not mean any harm. I was surprized when a restroom fixture fell apart when I barely touched it, so I spoke out of turn.

Well, he went into a fit, and shouted that he knew my life and went on and on about moral crimes that he said I had done and he knew about. He had a long list which it took him some time to shout out.

While he was shouting, I lifted my attention to God. I love God and when I think of God I feel some of the love that God is. So I remained calm while he shouted, and thought with god that this man really must be having some trouble with love.

I simply hoped that God would help me respond. This kind of thing has happened before.

When he fell silent after shouting every thing that he had to say, I called out to him in a clear voice, “Well, pardon me.”

And this guy completely changed. He had never said good morning to me, never simled, or acknowledged me in any way. But now after two years of seeing him in the same place everyday, he now acts like a friend, is happy to see me says hello and simles.

I apologized, for some reason he really needed that, that someone begg his pardon. Maybe he was attacked when he was a child, I don’t know.

He seems much happier now.

 

[seraphime2008]

QUOTE=seraphime2008;5590245]As I read from the wikipedia, exactly the semen (the 2-5% plus the rest 98-95%) are the product of exactly the glands in the testicle, nothing else. So what is this stretch try to tell anyway…that u want to produce ur own scientific argument? Lol…u’re just unbelievable!

And to say that ejaculation that makes the the fertilization of embryo was so …ignorant…to say the least Have u heard the in vitro fertilization? It only needs the ovum and the sperm, nothing else! Oh…I forget, ur Koran hadn’t seen this invention yet!

Ok…I made a wrong statement in blue letters above…apologize for that. Anyway the glands that produce other seminal fluid I think can be seen in this picture, hopefully it’s regarded as scientific picture, not a dirty one:

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anyway this is a picture stating that to make a vasectomy, one just need to block the
tube from the testicles which produce the sperm. So technically saying that the ejaculation makes the fertilization is wrong. As I said before, in vitro fertilization only proofs that what is needed for fertilization is the sperm and the egg.

And by looking at those picture, the location of the other sexual glands to create the other part of the semen is just very-very close to the testicles, it;s not strecthing to other places as just “inside” the body. My sweat also comes from inside my body!

 

[seraphime2008]

allah said in quran

And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: Ye verily will work corruption in the earth twice, and ye will become great tyrants.

So when the time for the first of the two came, We roused against you slaves of Ours of great might who ravaged (your) country, and it was a threat performed.

Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery.

(Saying): If ye do good, ye do good for your own souls, and if ye do evil, it is for them (in like manner). So, when the time for the second (of the judgments) came (We roused against you others of Our slaves) to ravage you, and to enter the Temple even as they entered it the first time, and to lay waste all that they conquered with an utter wasting.

It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat (the crime) We shall repeat (the punishment), and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.

i believe that they mischief in the earth nowadays , and i believe that their end is very close

How?