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I was invited to join a Bible Study this fall through BSF International. I went to the informational meeting this morning at a local Lutheran church. Being Catholic I felt like a fish out of water. They talked about how it is was a non denominational study and how it is a study of what the bible says to you as an individual. The whole thing didn’t sit well with me. Can anyone tell me their thoughts?

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I was invited to join a Bible Study this fall through BSF International. I went to the informational meeting this morning at a local Lutheran church. Being Catholic I felt like a fish out of water. They talked about how it is was a non denominational study and how it is a study of what the bible says to you as an individual. The whole thing didn’t sit well with me. Can anyone tell me their thoughts?

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Put it this way: BSF has an unwritten rule that no active Catholics can be in any sort of leadership positions, no small groups, nothing. They encourage you to attend, but their hope is that you will cease being Catholic.
 
My 4 year old daughter attends the children’s version. She goes out of respect to my non-Catholic MIL. This is the last year she’ll be going. I find that I’m having to “unteach” her Protestant doctrine- at FOUR! :mad:

“Non-denominational” simply means “Protestant”. There will be no mention of the primacy of Peter, the role of the papacy in the early church, Sacred Tradition, Marian doctrines, etc. etc.

My advice? Steer clear. Attend (or start up) a Bible study in your parish.
 
Tom317 is right. No Catholic will ever have a leadership position. I have friends that went there in order to try to convert others with the truth, but he was always stopped.
mdcpensive1
 
I was invited to join a Bible Study this fall through BSF International. I went to the informational meeting this morning at a local Lutheran church. Being Catholic I felt like a fish out of water. They talked about how it is was a non denominational study and how it is a study of what the bible says to you as an individual. The whole thing didn’t sit well with me. Can anyone tell me their thoughts?

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Unless you are firmly rooted in your Roman Catholic Faith; my suggestion is to skip it.

Here are several GOOD R.C. Bible Study Pogrammes

Catholic version of (BSF – Bible Study Fellowship Programe)catholicscripturestudyinc.org/history.php

St Paul;s Center for Biblical Theology – Dr Scott & KimberlyHahn
salvationhistory.com

Catholic Adult Education Program -Dr Scott
Hahnhttp://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg…/overview.html

Deep in Scripture – Marcus Grodi
deepinscripture.com/

CSS Group Bible Studyhttp://css.catholicexchange.com/ css.catholicexchange.com/page.asp?code=GroupStudyPage
 
My 4 year old daughter attends the children’s version. She goes out of respect to my non-Catholic MIL. This is the last year she’ll be going. I find that I’m having to “unteach” her Protestant doctrine- at FOUR! :mad:

“Non-denominational” simply means “Protestant”. There will be no mention of the primacy of Peter, the role of the papacy in the early church, Sacred Tradition, Marian doctrines, etc. etc.

My advice? Steer clear. Attend (or start up) a Bible study in your parish.
You are 100% correct Cari. At work (teen-agers) we are only allowed to take them to a “non-denominational” church for a religious service. The one time I took them within five minutes they insulted Catholicism. I’ll never take them personally again. Needless to say the boys now see me praying the rosary and reading my bible during study hour. That gets thier curosity up.
 
The BSF International aim to help believers to build a vibrant personal relationship with our Father God. Whether you are a Catholic, a Christian, a non-believer, or any religion background, they only emphasis on giving the class members to build a daily reading Bible habit. The questions on the homework are to help us to learn more about our Father God and stimulate our thinking on how to apply God’s teaching in our daily life. Your sincere heart to learn about God’s teaching is most important, don’t worry about the demonination issue. Isn’t God is above all things? Why not focus on God’s teaching than on any other thing that has no value to our faith! For those have never taken the BSF classes before, it is best to find out the answer for yourself than taking other people’s experience as your fate?
God Bless you all !
 
Unless you are firmly rooted in your Roman Catholic Faith; my suggestion is to skip it.

Here are several GOOD R.C. Bible Study Pogrammes

Catholic version of (BSF – Bible Study Fellowship Programe)catholicscripturestudyinc.org/history.php

St Paul;s Center for Biblical Theology – Dr Scott & KimberlyHahn
salvationhistory.com

Catholic Adult Education Program -Dr Scott
Hahnhttp://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg…/overview.html

Deep in Scripture – Marcus Grodi
deepinscripture.com/

CSS Group Bible Studyhttp://css.catholicexchange.com/ css.catholicexchange.com/page.asp?code=GroupStudyPage
I have taken a couple of the classes at www.salvationhistory.com and absolutely LOVE it. I am also doing an individual study of the Gospel of John (book by Stephen Ray). It is also an excellent way to learn and grow in our faith.

Good luck with your studies.
 
The BSF International aim to help believers to build a vibrant personal relationship with our Father God. Whether you are a Catholic, a Christian, a non-believer, or any religion background, they only emphasis on giving the class members to build a daily reading Bible habit. The questions on the homework are to help us to learn more about our Father God and stimulate our thinking on how to apply God’s teaching in our daily life. Your sincere heart to learn about God’s teaching is most important, don’t worry about the demonination issue. Isn’t God is above all things? Why not focus on God’s teaching than on any other thing that has no value to our faith! For those have never taken the BSF classes before, it is best to find out the answer for yourself than taking other people’s experience as your fate?
God Bless you all !
Yeeeaaah…I’d be more open to believing the advice about not “worrying about the denomination issue” if Catholics were allowed to take leadership positions in the program, which they’re not.
Also, how likely is BSF to cover issues such as the primacy of Peter, the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady, the importance of the sacraments, particularly the Real Presence?
🤷 Those things DO focus on God’s teaching. But then again, I’m Catholic, so I know that God has given us the Magisterium, and Sacred Tradition, and not only the Sacred Scripture.
 
The BSF International aim to help believers to build a vibrant personal relationship with our Father God. Whether you are a Catholic, a Christian, a non-believer, or any religion background, they only emphasis on giving the class members to build a daily reading Bible habit. The questions on the homework are to help us to learn more about our Father God and stimulate our thinking on how to apply God’s teaching in our daily life. Your sincere heart to learn about God’s teaching is most important, don’t worry about the demonination issue. Isn’t God is above all things? Why not focus on God’s teaching than on any other thing that has no value to our faith! For those have never taken the BSF classes before, it is best to find out the answer for yourself than taking other people’s experience as your fate?
God Bless you all !
First, as Feedmysheep says: If the denomination issue is no big deal, why can’t Catholic’s lead? This is overt bigotry.

Second, your own bigotry is overt. See what I bolded above. Why would you distinguish Catholics from Christian?

Third, I have a Catholic friend who is dedicated to ecumenical efforts. He was in one BSF group that he left because of its blatant anti-Catholicism. Out of Christian charity and to live his ecumenical call, he joined another than he left. The second was worse than the first.

Fourth, the Catholic Church is nothing if it isn’t focus on God’s teaching. For you to assert the contrary is bigotry. It was the Church that safeguarded the Gospels and Epistles for 250 years for reading in the Mass. It was the Church that compiled them into one book now called the Bible. Lack of knowledge of Scripture is a lack of knowledge of Christ. Promoting lies in the name of Christ is blasphemy.
 
The premise “what the Bible means to you as an individual” is flawed. Although each individual relates and responds to Scripture according to the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the Bible is not My Personal Book. Without the context of the Church, it’s just another self-help aid.

I wouldn’t give this group five minutes of my time.
 
I would not go. The founder of this study was very anti-Catholic (in her youth she went on mission trips to convert the pagan Catholics). The studies will lead you only to one view point. Using noted Bibles is discourged so that you are ‘prejudiced’ before the discussion, so all your questions will only be answered by the study leader. While I know many faithful Christian women who attend these studies, I would never reccommend that a Catholic go to them.
 
I went through all 5 or 6 years of BSF. They did not talk about the Church in a negative way; at least, the BSF group I went to didn’t. If they slammed anyone, it was the LDS church, and I was surprised at their venom.

So, unless one is really rock solid in one’s Catholic faith, my opinion is, avoid BSF. For me, I took what I could and left the rest. It helped me learn techniques of Bible study and got me acquainted with books of Scripture that I ordinarily wouldn’t have been reading (for ex., the Minor Prophets).

One thing I did notice was that, while the answers to the study questions are supposed to be your own answer, how you saw the question, there were in reality ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ answers. If you gave a ‘wrong’ answer (which I did on occasion), they made you feel embarrassed. That certainly wasn’t a Christ-like thing to do.
 
Never ,ever go to A non denominational or Protestant Bible study.You won’t be accepted and you’ll have to fight for every word you say. One of my near by parishes(catholic) uses a protestant based one. I was shocked- very fundamentalist stuff which for some reason these catholics bought-so i started my own:thumbsup:
 
WOW…lots of misinformation, supposition, false assumptions and uncharitable declarations from folks who sound like they don’t have ANY first-hand experience with BSF.

I was invited to join by a neighbor years ago when my middle-schoolers were toddlers. They had a wonderful children’s program geared to those ages~something our parish lacked entirely. I spent 5 years in the study and NEVER felt degraded or ostracized for my Catholic affiliation~about which I was very open. They do not indulge in explorations or debate of doctrinal differences among denominations. I found this created a respectful environment~not some kind of closeted persecution or belittling of one faith over another. We were not there to debate the fine points of our faith traditions, but to study (for the first time for this Catholic) the scriptures and prayerfully reflect on their meaning both in the context of our respective faith practices as well as in living out that faith in our daily lives. The experience enriched my faith life immeasurably and led me to further and deeper study into the wisdom that is contained in the bible~on which we Catholics tend to be so ignorant and poorly educated.

I was invited into a leadership position which I declined because of the extra time demands vs. my responsibilites for 3 very young children. I don’t know where some of the claims in this thread come from, but most of what I read is disgracefully misinformed.
 
From Island Oak:
I was invited into a leadership position which I declined because of the extra time demands vs. my responsibilites for 3 very young children. I don’t know where some of the claims in this thread come from, but most of what I read is disgracefully misinformed.
I wonder how many of us have been so misinformed??? And I mean many of us.
I believe that you have been lucky in finding one that hasn’t been anti-Catholic.

mdcpensive1
 
WOW…lots of misinformation, supposition, false assumptions and uncharitable declarations from folks who sound like they don’t have ANY first-hand experience with BSF. . . I don’t know where some of the claims in this thread come from, but most of what I read is disgracefully misinformed.
Sounds to me like people in this thread were relating their personal experiences just as you have related yours. You can’t belittle their experience any more than anyone can belittle yours.

If anything, it sounds like your experience with BSF is the exception. Bully for you – but there’s no need to get defensive, let alone abusive.
 
Put it this way: BSF has an unwritten rule that no active Catholics can be in any sort of leadership positions, no small groups, nothing. They encourage you to attend, but their hope is that you will cease being Catholic.
Nonsense. You come together and leave with different faith traditions. No one I encountered was in the business of converting wayward Catholics.
No Catholic will ever have a leadership position. I have friends that went there in order to try to convert others with the truth, but he was always stopped. mdcpensive1
The precise thing a non-denominational bible study endeavors to avoid. I would have been put-off if someone would have attempted to convert me to their Protestant “truth”. Such proselytizing has no place in an ecumenical program of study.
Yeeeaaah…I’d be more open to believing the advice about not “worrying about the denomination issue” if Catholics were allowed to take leadership positions in the program, which they’re not.
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Also, how likely is BSF to cover issues such as the primacy of Peter, the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady, the importance of the sacraments, particularly the Real Presence?
…I’m Catholic, so I know that God has given us the Magisterium, and Sacred Tradition, and not only the Sacred Scripture.
Not at all likely. These are uniquely Catholic teachings. BSF does not present itself as a Catholic-oriented study.
Using noted Bibles is discourged so that you are ‘prejudiced’ before the discussion, so all your questions will only be answered by the study leader.
Using notated bibles IS discouraged for the simple reason that point of the BSF study is to read, reflect and then discuss your interpretation of the reading, not regurgitate the thoughts of someone else contained in a footnote.
The premise “what the Bible means to you as an individual” is flawed. Although each individual relates and responds to Scripture according to the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the Bible is not My Personal Book. Without the context of the Church, it’s just another self-help aid. I wouldn’t give this group five minutes of my time.
BSF does not forbid or discourage any individual from considering the Bible reading in the context of his/her faith tradition. It does request you do not present your or your denominational interpretation as the only way to interpret a passage. Consider that this was particularly helpful when Jews and other non-Christians were part of the study and discussion.
You are 100% correct Cari. At work (teen-agers) we are only allowed to take them to a “non-denominational” church for a religious service. The one time I took them within five minutes they insulted Catholicism. I’ll never take them personally again.
This experience has nothing to do with BSF.
“Non-denominational” simply means “Protestant”. There will be no mention of the primacy of Peter, the role of the papacy in the early church, Sacred Tradition, Marian doctrines, etc…
If you find yourself offended by a Bible study which is not strictly Catholic in its approach or orientation, then you probably should avoid BSF. “Non-denominational” suggests neither Catholicism or any other creed is preferred over another.
First, as Feedmysheep says: If the denomination issue is no big deal, why can’t Catholic’s lead? This is overt bigotry. Second, your own bigotry is overt…Why would you distinguish Catholics from Christian?
It’s common and accurate to distinguish Catholics from non-Catholic Christians. There are significant differences. Recognizing the existence of difference is not bigotry. Treating people unjustly because of differences is.
You can’t belittle their experience any more than anyone can belittle yours.
No…but pointing out inaccuracy is distinct from belittling.
…If anything, it sounds like your experience with BSF is the exception. Bully for you – but there’s no need to get defensive, let alone abusive.
Defensive?! I’d have to have some skin in the game to work up to defensive. Abusive?!?!?! :rotfl:Surely you jest.
 
Nonsense. You come together and leave with different faith traditions. No one I encountered was in the business of converting wayward Catholics.

The precise thing a non-denominational bible study endeavors to avoid. I would have been put-off if someone would have attempted to convert me to their Protestant “truth”. Such proselytizing has no place in an ecumenical program of study.

False

Not at all likely. These are uniquely Catholic teachings. BSF does not present itself as a Catholic-oriented study.

Using notated bibles IS discouraged for the simple reason that point of the BSF study is to read, reflect and then discuss your interpretation of the reading, not regurgitate the thoughts of someone else contained in a footnote.

BSF does not forbid or discourage any individual from considering the Bible reading in the context of his/her faith tradition. It does request you do not present your or your denominational interpretation as the only way to interpret a passage. Consider that this was particularly helpful when Jews and other non-Christians were part of the study and discussion.

This experience has nothing to do with BSF.

If you find yourself offended by a Bible study which is not strictly Catholic in its approach or orientation, then you probably should avoid BSF. “Non-denominational” suggests neither Catholicism or any other creed is preferred over another.

It’s common and accurate to distinguish Catholics from non-Catholic Christians. There are significant differences. Recognizing the existence of difference is not bigotry. Treating people unjustly because of differences is.

No…but pointing out inaccuracy is distinct from belittling.

Defensive?! I’d have to have some skin in the game to work up to defensive. Abusive?!?!?! :rotfl:Surely you jest.
Island, you have had a different experience than many. You should be grateful that your experience has been as it has been. However, the experience of many on this thread and of my personal friend (who has a real call to be ecumenical) is just as real.

While you might deny that it is anti-Catholic, I ask one question: In the fifty years of existence, has any Catholic ever served on its board of directors? For a major “ecumenical” and non-denominational Christian organization, it is unique in this regard. For instance, Chuck Colson’s Prison Ministries organization currently has a Catholic Chairman.

Secondly, you excuse them for their position on Real Presence as a unique Catholic Theology. Tell that to the Lutherans, Methodists, Lutherans and Anglicans who also believe in the Real Presence (albiet with some theological distinctions).

Finally, as a Catholic, it is an Article of Faith with regard to the Real Presence. Any theology that rejects the Real Presence or an idea that “eating and drinking” is merely symbolic is by definition anti-Catholic theology. The Eucharist is the “source and summit” of our Faith. While we must always act with charity to those who do not accept this teaching of Christ, we must demand similar charity with regards to our opportunity to present this central teaching of our faith. BSF does not in any way grant any such charity.
 
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