Bible Typology Class

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At Acts 27:38, we see the people in the boat throwing wheat overboard to lighten the ship.
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Typologically, what is going on?
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put me out of my misery, the suspense has been building.😃 what is going on typologically?
 
This thread is very interesting, I am watching it with great enthusiasm!

When is the next lesson to be posted? Soon, please? 🙂

God Bless and Mary keep you,
Theresa
 
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put me out of my misery, the suspense has been building.😃 what is going on typologically?
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In Acts 27:38, the boat is the Church; the grain being tossed into the sea is the Eucharist; the sea is the Abyss Type for the “sea of damnable souls.” We have a picture of the Church providing the Eucharist to the Sea of Damnable Souls.
 
HOw can the church discard the very gift which it regards as the “souce and summit of its spiritual life”, would this not be like giving non baptised non believers the communion, which in reality does not occur.
is grain type always the Eucharist?
 
BlackFish,

I am responding to your response from the scene is acts where the diciples are throwing the wheat into the sea.

Bible Reader can correct me if I am wrong but this is a story not a factual story, it teaches us that through the bread “Eucharist” that we will inherit the kingdom of God for all who believe.

Even in the story from a typology stance not every damned soul in the sea of damned souls would partake in the Eucharist, given by the people in the boat or “priesthood of the Church”.

We later set up the rules for the Eucharist because we understood the truth of it, and it is only for the ones who accept the truth. Unfortunatley not even all Catholics understand or believe in the significance of the Eucharist.
 
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Reid:
BlackFish,

I am responding to your response from the scene is acts where the diciples are throwing the wheat into the sea.

Bible Reader can correct me if I am wrong but this is a story not a factual story, it teaches us that through the bread “Eucharist” that we will inherit the kingdom of God for all who believe.

Even in the story from a typology stance not every damned soul in the sea of damned souls would partake in the Eucharist, given by the people in the boat or “priesthood of the Church”.

We later set up the rules for the Eucharist because we understood the truth of it, and it is only for the ones who accept the truth. Unfortunatley not even all Catholics understand or believe in the significance of the Eucharist.
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Hi, Reid. I have a son by that name. “Reid” was our Anglicization of the Hebrew pronunciation for the Hebrew word meaning “reed.” He is as skinny as a reed, but is tough like a reed in that psychologically he bends with the wind without breaking.

I’ll address your question a little later. I have to get ready for Mass now.
 
Well, also, as the Church (the disciples) represents a formation of the Spirit, we can see it as a symbol of the Spirit putting the wheat (Christ) into the sea (Mary).

God bless,
Aaron
 
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aaronjmagnan:
Well, also, as the Church (the disciples) represents a formation of the Spirit, we can see it as a symbol of the Spirit putting the wheat (Christ) into the sea (Mary).

God bless,
Aaron
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Hi Aaron, I follow your logic here, up until you say mary is the sea-where do you derive the typological sense that mary is the sea?
 
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RyanL:
Della (and BR),

I am currently unsure what the Church teaches. I believe that Christ turning into sin is a logical fallacy. Good cannot become Evil, Right cannot become Wrong, Love cannot become Hate. Were Jesus to become sin, He-who-is-pure-good would become He-who-is-pure-evil, and as an all-powerful deity that would be disasterous. At least this is my thought process, which appears sound.
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That is a sound thought process. 🙂

There is another way to look at this though. Sin is anything that separates us from God. Jesus always knew God as his Father, and Jesus, being without sin, means that Jesus had no sense of separation from his Father.

However, Jesus became sin at the agony in the garden in this sense – the agony of Jesus was to experience what he never knew - separation from the Father. That is why he cries out this verse of Psalm 22 from the Cross: “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?”

During the agony in the garden, Jesus began to take on our sins by becoming those sins – the agony of Jesus was to know what if feels like to be an adulterer, a murderer, a child molester, a wife beater, a rapist, a thief, a racist, a drunk, a whore, …. It was the experience of becoming the sin of the whole world that caused Jesus to sweat blood.

Jesus united himself to our sin, and this is what brought about his death. It was by dying, that Jesus destroyed our death and freed us from the bondage of sin and the curse of sin.
 
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Della:
Typology has its place, but it cannot replace proper primary interpretation which is in line with the teachings of the Church.
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Amen! 👍

True faith is founded on what the Catholic Church authoritatively teaches. Typology is only useful if it is correctly done, and it is only correctly done when it does not contradict the doctrines of the Catholic Church. Rapture Protestants love to apply typological arguments to the Book of Revelation, and by this form of exegesis, they can come up with all sorts of bizarre interpretations (see how this verse refers to the black helicopters, and this verse refers to the microchip in the forehead, blah, blah, blah …).

There is no “standard” way of doing typology. It is just as valid to understand the Ark of the Covenant as a type of the Church as it is to understand the Ark of the Covenant as type of Mary.
 
BibleReader (and all other participants),

Thank you for the lessons, this is very interesting and educational.

My question: In these Bible stories that are being interpreted with typology, were there factual events? For instance, it was said above that in Acts when wheat was thrown overboard, it was not a factual event. What about Jesus walking on water & rescuing Peter after he sank, or Jesus calming the storm that rocked the boat, or Jesus multiplying the loaves and fishes? Are you saying that these were just stories with hidden symbolism, and not actual events? How are we to know which were factual events and which are symbolic stories?
 
Oh no, did I kill the thread? Honestly, it was an accident - I didn’t mean to do it!

Anybody still there?
 
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nobody:
BibleReader (and all other participants),

Thank you for the lessons, this is very interesting and educational.

My question: In these Bible stories that are being interpreted with typology, were there factual events? For instance, it was said above that in Acts when wheat was thrown overboard, it was not a factual event. What about Jesus walking on water & rescuing Peter after he sank, or Jesus calming the storm that rocked the boat, or Jesus multiplying the loaves and fishes? Are you saying that these were just stories with hidden symbolism, and not actual events? How are we to know which were factual events and which are symbolic stories?
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Could God have made the events actually happen in such a way that they were ALSO imbued with very specific, and reocurring themes and philosophies which define the whole Deposit of Faith?
 
Is there any chance we could do some typology on the Jewish tabernacle, and its OT priesthood, and how this translates into the NT system of offering of Christ and its relation to the Mass, and the stuff in revelation-in heaven.

god bless.

m.
 
Hi, friends.

To discuss Bible typology, we’ll “begin at the beginning,” and develop it as it comes up in the Bible, I think.

**1 ****In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth, ****2 **the earth was a formless wasteland, and darkness covered the abyss, while a mighty wind swept over the waters. Genesis 1:1-2.

“Formless wasteland” = a Desert Type analog = “world in need of salvation.” Index Verse: How often they rebelled against God in the desert, grieved him in the wasteland. Psalm 78:40. Genesis 1:2 is therefore a good Exemplary Verse, serving as an “example” of use of the type.

“Darkness” = the Darkness Type = “God’s condemning judgment.” Index Verse: [From the 1970 NAB; the current NAB has too much “dynamic equivalency” here, to the point of wiping-out the negative implication of the type] Clouds and darkness are round about him; justice and judgment are the foundation of his throne. Psalm 97:2. So, Genesis 1:2 is a good Exemplary Verse for the Darkness Type.

“Abyss” = Abyss Type = “the sea of damnable souls.” Index Verse: But the wicked are like the tossing sea which cannot be calmed, And its waters cast up mud and filth. Isaiah 57:20. So, Genesis 1:2 is a good Exemplary Verse for the Abyss Type.

“Wind” = Wind Type = “a special presence of God.” Index Verse: LORD, my God, you are great indeed! You are clothed with majesty and glory, 2 robed in light as with a cloak. You spread out the heavens like a tent; 3 you raised your palace upon the waters. You make the clouds your chariot; you travel on the wings of the wind. Psalm 104:1-3. So, Genesis 1:2 is also a good Exemplary Verse for the Wind Type.

In Myth, Legend and Custom in the Old Testament [which you should get, by the way], Gaster notes that “swept” as in “swept over the waters” is the Hebrew term used to describe an eagle jealously protecting its young. Vol. 1, p. 5.

So, what we have here is a typological word-picture foreshadowing the salvation process: A sea of damnable souls in need of salvation eligible only for God’s nasty condemning judgment, while God hovers lovingly over His brood, about to…

…do what?

We’ll see.
 
Hi, friends. The separate threads I dedicated to each of four different types so far have been disallowed. Therefore, I will have to place them in this thread alone, which will be a little bit visually confusing. We’ll survive.
 
**THE DESERT TYPE: **INTERP: “World in need of salvation”; INDEX VERSE: How often they rebelled against God in the desert, grieved him in the wasteland. Psalm 78:40; EXEMPLARY VERSES: Genesis 1:2.
 
**THE DARKNESS TYPE: **INTERP: "God’s condemning judgment; INDEX VERSE: [From the 1970 NAB; the current NAB has too much “dynamic equivalency” here, to the point of wiping-out the negative implication of the type] Clouds and darkness are round about him; justice and judgment are the foundation of his throne. Psalm 97:2; EXEMPLARY VERSES: Genesis 1:2.
 
**THE ABYSS TYPE: **INTERP: “the sea of damnable souls”; INDEX VERSE: But the wicked are like the tossing sea which cannot be calmed, And its waters cast up mud and filth. Isaiah 57:20: EXEMPLARY VERSES: Genesis 1:2.
 
**THE WIND TYPE: **INTERP: “a special presence of God”; INDEX VERSE: LORD, my God, you are great indeed! You are clothed with majesty and glory, 2 robed in light as with a cloak. You spread out the heavens like a tent; 3 you raised your palace upon the waters. You make the clouds your chariot; you travel on the wings of the wind. Psalm 104:1-3; EXEMPLARY VERSES: Genesis 1:2.
 
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