Biblical Contradictions I

[Rence]

Let the thread die…instead of facing the facts, typical.

I understand you want answers to your questions. But take it from the perspective of those who answer you. It gets tiring answering the same questions over and over, and then the answers are further questioned, and further answered, etc.

That’s why I encourage you in my last post in this thread to look up those verses and read them as a whole. That way, you get more out of it as you yourself are putting the effort in.

Sometimes, no matter what the answers are, some people are just not going to believe. And that’s okay, but keep in mind, there’s going to come a point when people just stop answering. Most people on this forum (from what I’ve seen) have a lot more patience than I do. They’ll keep answering and being patient. I really don’t have the energy to have verse-duels. That’s not why I’m here. I’ll answer questions but if it looks like we’re going around in circles, I’ll just stop and move on. There’s no point in beating a dead horse. If you’re dead set on finding fault, you’ll find it no matter what anyone says, whether they say it once or ten times.

I hope you find your answers. It looks like you really want those answers and you definitely will find them by reading the rest of the passage that accompanies those verses.

 

[judechild]

Hello again oh “An gel of light” (It’s good for your hair) ,

A lot of the problems with the list you’ve posted is that it looks at only one thing: the literal wording of the passage. Since the earilest days of the Church, and even before, it’s been acknoledged that not everything in the Bible is to be interpreted literally. A little diddy from the Middle Ages expresses the “senses” of Scripture:
“The letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith; The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.”

The senses of Scripture are the four just described: Letter (literal), Allegory, Moral, and Anagogy.

Take the two creation accounts for example. The first describes God creating the world, and in the end creating man and woman. In the allegorical sense, then, man is the pinnacle of creation. In the second account, the world is seen as being created for man; this time, in an anagogical sense that expresses the purpose of man.

Remember that the Jews were not concerned with a scientific account; they told stories in order to express truth (a parable, if you will).

Did a member of the Church do something to harm you? I hope not, but I would like to know why you are so militant. That’s personal, so I understand if you don’t want to say. In any case, my offer from the other thread is still in force.

 

[juliamajor]

I cut and paste for the obvious reasons, a) I don’t have the time to rewrite something that is perfectly well written by someone else, b) because it shows that it is not just me who thinks this way.
Otherwise I still write a huge amount myself.

I make my arguement First. Then I drag documentation in…You don’t have to rewrite you have to think…So what if others think LIKE you. they still aren’t you.

 

[Kaizmom]

The contradictions that you are finding are with TRANSLATION. For examples…Gen 1:31 says that everything God made was good. However Gen 6:6 does NOT say that what he made was bad, it says “And it repented the Lord that he made made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart.” Those BOTH came from the KJV. There are NO contradictions in the bible, and I suggest you do your OWN research before posting such blasphemous items.

 

[lucy_fur]

Hello again oh “An gel of light” (It’s good for your hair) ,

A lot of the problems with the list you’ve posted is that it looks at only one thing: the literal wording of the passage. Since the earilest days of the Church, and even before, it’s been acknoledged that not everything in the Bible is to be interpreted literally. A little diddy from the Middle Ages expresses the “senses” of Scripture:
“The letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith; The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.”

The senses of Scripture are the four just described: Letter (literal), Allegory, Moral, and Anagogy.

Take the two creation accounts for example. The first describes God creating the world, and in the end creating man and woman. In the allegorical sense, then, man is the pinnacle of creation. In the second account, the world is seen as being created for man; this time, in an anagogical sense that expresses the purpose of man.

Remember that the Jews were not concerned with a scientific account; they told stories in order to express truth (a parable, if you will).

Did a member of the Church do something to harm you? I hope not, but I would like to know why you are so militant. That’s personal, so I understand if you don’t want to say. In any case, my offer from the other thread is still in force.

It is said that the last recourse of the Bible apologist is to fall back upon allegory. After all, when confronted with the many hundreds of biblical problems, allegory permits one to interpret anything however one might please.

-Gene Kasmar

 

[Swan]

Truly this argument against cut and paste is disingenuous. There are tons of cut and paste quotes on CAF and the vast majority were made by Catholics. There are quotes from scripture, from works by saints, from innumerable books by various apologetic authors, popes, church documents, the Catechism, etc, etc… The reason this is done is the same one Lucy has: why reinvent the wheel? If someone has already said it in a perfect way, why paraphrase? Why not quote someone who has done the work? You may not like what Lucy posts but complaining about cut and paste is the pot calling the kettle black.

If you want an expert’s opinion read Bart Ehrman. Here you have a man who was a devout believer who, due in large part to Biblical research, concluded he could no longer believe. I realize he’s very unpopular for that reason. I’m not going to quote him but I will paraphrase something he said that I believe makes an excellent point: if an almighty, all-knowing God wanted to send us his message you’d think he could have managed to do it in a way that was not contradictory or faulty in anyway. Since the Bible is both….well, he, I and others, have drawn our own conclusions.

 

[exoflare]

Truly this argument against cut and paste is disingenuous. There are tons of cut and paste quotes on CAF and the vast majority were made by Catholics. There are quotes from scripture, from works by saints, from innumerable books by various apologetic authors, popes, church documents, the Catechism, etc, etc…

Strawman. The problem isn’t using copy-paste in itself. The problem is the OP is a classic copy-paste troll who isn’t after honest discussion but only wants to incite. The fact that all of their posts so far are massive copy-paste jobs and mindless insults is merely evidence of that.

 

[zach_dunn]

Truly this argument against cut and paste is disingenuous. There are tons of cut and paste quotes on CAF and the vast majority were made by Catholics. There are quotes from scripture, from works by saints, from innumerable books by various apologetic authors, popes, church documents, the Catechism, etc, etc… The reason this is done is the same one Lucy has: why reinvent the wheel? If someone has already said it in a perfect way, why paraphrase? Why not quote someone who has done the work? You may not like what Lucy posts but complaining about cut and paste is the pot calling the kettle black.

The quoting by Catholics (in the majority of instances), is not the same as lucy. As people have pointed out, lucy is simply trolling, trying to get arise “out of those dumb Christians with their faith in their fake god.” It’s evident by the fact that lucy gave over 100 “contradictions,” he/she is just attempting to overwhelm people. I’m not trying to get out of answering them, I simply know when someone doesn’t really care and is going to have their mind set one way no matter what. Plenty of people smarter than lucy, smarter than me, and smarter than Bart Ehrman have converted to Christianity (or Judaism for that matter) and have fought to shown people that the Bible does not contradict yourself, so your latter point is essentially moot.

 

[COPLAND_3]

Truly this argument against cut and paste is disingenuous. There are tons of cut and paste quotes on CAF and the vast majority were made by Catholics. There are quotes from scripture, from works by saints, from innumerable books by various apologetic authors, popes, church documents, the Catechism, etc, etc… The reason this is done is the same one Lucy has: why reinvent the wheel? If someone has already said it in a perfect way, why paraphrase? Why not quote someone who has done the work? You may not like what Lucy posts but complaining about cut and paste is the pot calling the kettle black.

If you want an expert’s opinion read Bart Ehrman. Here you have a man who was a devout believer who, due in large part to Biblical research, concluded he could no longer believe. I realize he’s very unpopular for that reason. I’m not going to quote him but I will paraphrase something he said that I believe makes an excellent point: if an almighty, all-knowing God wanted to send us his message you’d think he could have managed to do it in a way that was not contradictory or faulty in anyway. Since the Bible is both….well, he, I and others, have drawn our own conclusions.

Its not a matter of cut and paste, but he has thrown a boat load of stuff out there and more than likely he has not read all of it. There was no serious attempt to get answers or have any dialogue with believers, just like others mentioned, its a troll tactic. The whole approach is what is disingenuous.

 

[GrahamAPhone]

Me talking:
“I was talking to this guy earlier, ans he told me, ‘There is no God’, so I told him, ‘There is a God’, then walked away”

Could you quote me of saying “there is no God” then quote me as saying, “there is a God”, and say I contradicted myself?
no, because you would not be taking what I say in context

 

[Luke_K]

Look I can copy and paste too!:tiphat:

bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm#INDEX (Bible contradictions answered)

 

[spockrates]

Lucy:

You have listed many passages of the Bible that you believe contradict one another. But I’ve found that many that many you listed are not real contradictions, but only seem to be.

Is there one apparent contradiction that you would like me to thoughtfully and respectfully investigate with you? If so, please let me know!



(BTW, I gave your discussion thread an excellent rating.)

 

[exoflare]

You have listed many passages of the Bible that you believe contradict one another. But I’ve found that many that many you listed are not real contradictions, but only seem to be.

Is there one apparent contradiction that you would like me to thoughtfully and respectfully investigate with you? If so, please let me know!

It really frustrates me when people don’t bother reading the whole thread before they post. Anyway the troll has already been banned.

 

[spockrates]

It really frustrates me when people don’t bother reading the whole thread before they post. Anyway the troll has already been banned.

I see. Too bad.

I wonder how much we might have learned by having a thoughtful conversation with her, and how much she might have learned, too. We both might have learned that what appear to be contradictions really are not.

 

[exoflare]

I wonder how much we might have learned by having a thoughtful conversation with her. I wonder how much she might have learned, too.

The answer is “nothing”. A thoughtful conversation requires two or more people who are honestly listening to each other. The OP was only here to get a rise out of people and didn’t want an honest discussion, so any attempt at engaging in a thoughtful dialogue with them would have only been a waste of time.

 

[spockrates]

The answer is “nothing”. A thoughtful conversation requires two or more people who are honestly listening to each other. The OP was only here to get a rise out of people and didn’t want an honest discussion, so any attempt at engaging in a thoughtful dialogue with them would have only been a waste of time.

Perhaps you are correct. However, I wonder if Jesus ever thought a conversation with anyone–friend or foe–was a waste of his time. You see, even if the person with whom you have the conversation does not benefit, those who listen to (or in this case read) the conversation, do.

But, I can understand the moderator wanting to protect those who are weak in faith from being harmed. So, I respect the moderator’s decision.

 

[COPLAND_3]

Perhaps you are correct. However, I wonder if Jesus ever thought a conversation with anyone–friend or foe–was a waste of his time. You see, even if the person with whom you have the conversation does not benefit, those who listen to (or in this case read) the conversation, do.

But, I can understand the moderator wanting to protect those who are weak in faith from being harmed. So, I respect the moderator’s decision.

As a matter of fact Jesus said, “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.” Matt 7:6

 

[judechild]

As a matter of fact Jesus said, “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.” Matt 7:6

Pardon, but I am a swine too; God was very patient and calm with me.

Oh well, I guess this thread is pointless now that the OP is gone…

 

[exoflare]

Pardon, but I am a swine too; God was very patient and calm with me.

Exactly. Only God can change people like that, who words can no longer reach. All anyone else can do for people like that is to pray for them.

 

[MrZetterlund]

This is stupid. Bible “contradictions” are just an imature acusation by skeptics to try and get people to distrust the Bible. Basically what they do is they take something completely out of context and say “oh, well that contradicts (other verse here)” It’s an imature little game of ignorance. Not only that, when you explain it to them aparently it isn’t good enough. We’re just desperate delusioned apologetics twisting the game of interpritation. This person’s user name is “Lucy fur.”

Don’t cast your pearls to pigs, nor give dogs what is sacred.