Post 54 referred to Jer 31: 31-34.Go back around post #54 and read the context of what we were talking about. Israel has 7 years left from Daniel 9:24.
Where do any of those passages refer to Jesus Christ? As I asked.For starters, here is a OT and NT reference…
**Zechariah 14:9-
The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.
Revelation 20:4
…They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:5
…The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.**
You seem to misunderstand one significant point.Yes, there is one more coming of Christ, TO THE EARTH. Jesus’ 1st advent as well as His 2nd advent are to Israel. And yes, for the benefit of all peoples of all nations also. The pre-tribulation rapture is Christ’s catching away of His bride and hardened Israel will go through the last 7 years decreed for them in Daniel 9:24(the 144,000 Israelites are God’s servants, or remnant at that time). This is not “sickening” or a “false gospel”.
If some want to continue to call the pre-tribulation catching away of the Church a half coming, or 3 comings, then you must face the facts and admit amillennialism teaches the same thing.
Here is a link to an example of what I am talking about.
This is from this link-
Count 'em up. By the critics of the pre-tribulation rapture, this is either 2-1/2 or 3 comings.
All OT prophecies of the Messiah are about Jesus. There is no other Christ coming.Where do any of those passages refer to Jesus Christ? As I asked.
Ok then…Also, interpreting those passages from Revelation the way you seem to is certainly one option, but not required by Catholic teaching. So, Catholics are free to interpret or understand those passages in different ways.
Duly noted…, as I promise you I’m being sincere.You seem to misunderstand one significant point.
You are participating in a Catholic Answers Forum
So, while your personal interpretation of Scripture and Christianity may be coherent to you, it does not cohere with Catholic teaching.
If you are here to sincerely engage in dialogue and learn about the Catholic faith, great.
If you are here to simply antagonize those who differ with your personal and private view of Scripture and Christianity…well…good for you.
I am not doing what you are saying. The Church and hardened Israel at the end of the seven year tribulation are saved by Jesus Christ. All under the New Covenant, by Christ. When all Israel is saved, broken off Israel of course is grafted back into the olive tree with the Church, which contains the remnant of Israel.Again… don’t you see that there is anything wrong with positing that Jesus has two brides, two covenant people, as you are doing?
And there is Paul’s assertion that the People of God are one Body, one Olive Tree, with Hebrew and Gentile branches, both of which will be subject to pruning (suffering). Not two trees.
Your right, these cannot of been raptured. There is a remnant of Israel(144,000 from the 12 tribes) that are servants of God working to give the testimony of Jesus in the 7 year tribulation.And Revelation 12 describes “those who keep the testimony of Jesus” suffering under war from the devil after the Tribulation begins… which is not possible if they had been raptured and those who are “left behind” are to be judged by works.
Read the quote I gave, as I have seen this written down from time to time.Where do you get the idea that the Roman armies who sacked Jerusalem were a “coming” of Jesus Christ? Certainly not from amillennialism.
This was about the transfiguration of Christ spoken of in Matthew, Mark and Luke.But anyway…
[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 16:26-28[/BIBLEDRB]
Who that was standing there then is still alive today?
How is the pre-tribulation rapture of the Church(as opposed to a post-tribulation rapture) a "false gospel’?I would urge you to look for the books The Rapture Trap and Will Catholics Be Left Behind?. The Rapture Trap is by Paul Thigpen, a former believer of this false gospel.
How could Jesus have been referring to the Transfiguration? He did not “judge all men,” or any man for that matter, while he was up on Mount Tabor.This was about the transfiguration of Christ spoken of in Matthew, Mark and Luke.
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Then where my friend can I find it. There is no one alive today who has heard Jesus speak and can relate as to what he said. Blessings.The ‘word of God’ is not necessarily written on paper.
How do you know that? From the Bible? That’s not what Jesus said. He said someone would not taste death before the coming of the Kingdom. Who?Then where my friend can I find it. There is no one alive today who has heard Jesus speak and can relate as to what he said. Blessings.
The Rapture itself, both Pre and Post Trib, is false.How is the pre-tribulation rapture of the Church(as opposed to a post-tribulation rapture) a "false gospel’?
It is in God’s church.Then where my friend can I find it. There is no one alive today who has heard Jesus speak and can relate as to what he said. Blessings.
So does mine.Post 54 referred to Jer 31: 31-34.
Included in post 54 were prior references to Gal 3: 28-29; Rom 2:6-11 and 11:13-24; and Ex 12:43-49.
None of these, along with Dan 9:24, refer to “rapture.”
So my question remains unanswered.
Strong’s Greek DictionaryWhether or not there is such a Greek “particle” is irrelevant because whatever the coming of Christ is contingent on is irrelevant. Jesus said that at least one person standing there would not die before it happened. So, who is it?
Again, that modifies “till” (when it will occur) and not “here” (the people hearing Jesus speak).Strong’s Greek Dictionary
302. αν an
Search for G302 in KJVSL
αν an an
a primary particle, denoting a supposition, wish, possibility or uncertainty:–(what-, where-, wither-, who-)soever. Usually unexpressed except by the subjunctive or potential mood. Also contracted for 1437.
See Greek 1437
No OT prophecy includes reference to “Jesus”. Right?All OT prophecies of the Messiah are about Jesus.
Ok then…what?Ok then…
Meaning…what?Now back to the discussion…