Biblical Reference to the Rapture

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[BIBLEDRB]Mt 16:26-28[/BIBLEDRB]

Since no one here is able to identify the person who lived, I’ll supply a hint:

One of this person’s several feast days is today.
 
May I suggest you take a look at John 12:44-50, and you will see how we will be judged in the last day. It does not say anything about “tradition”, but it does say’s that our judgment will come by the “word of God”. Blessings.
As it has been previously posted, the Word of God is not only what has been written on paper. For example, 2 Thessalonians 2:15.

“So then brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by *** word of mouth ***or by letter from us.”

If you wish to know how we will be judged upon the last day, read Matthew 25:31-46.
You will see who goes into heaven and who does not, and why.

Furthermore, in relation to the “Word of God” statement in John, in the beginning of that Gospel, it is said that the Word was with God, and the Word was God. That Christ was that Word, the Living Word of God. Therefore, that verse probably still does not hold water when tested in that way. But the previous scriptural quote that I’ve just added also helps.
 
Is it your contention that Mary never died?
You should ask the rapturists that. 🙂

It is also possible that Mary died and then was assumed (Dormition), but under that scenario she has tasted death. Due to the above Scripture that would place all of the judgment events cited by the rapturists in the past, forcing preterism and disproving the pre-trib rapture.

If they want a rapture then Mary must have been raptured first.
 
How do you know that? From the Bible? That’s not what Jesus said. He said someone would not taste death before the coming of the Kingdom. Who?
This quote comes from Luke 9:27. If you read Luke 9:28-36, Jesus was referring to His “transfiguration” on the mountain where some of the apostles were with Him. This prefigured the glory which would be His during His coming kingdom. Do you hear of anyone who is alive today who can quote what Jesus said, and if the RCC has it, where is it written, and who wrote it. Blessings
 
This quote comes from Luke 9:27. If you read Luke 9:28-36, Jesus was referring to His “transfiguration” on the mountain where some of the apostles were with Him. This prefigured the glory which would be His during His coming kingdom.
[BIBLEDRB]Mt 16:26-28[/BIBLEDRB]

Again… Jesus did not judge anyone at the Transfiguration.
 
It is in God’s church.
Remember, his church kept the scriptures long before anyone bothered to write them down.
God’s church by the way are “the called out ones of God”, those who are born again Christians, and received Him as their personal Savior through the Blood of Christ. These people trust only in the sacrifice of Calvary, and rely on nothing else for the salvation of their souls. His church is indeed “catholic”, meaning universal. He has no “denominations”. There are only two kinds of people in this world, those who are saved and those who are not saved. It sounds short an simple, and it is. Blessings.
 
God’s church by the way are “the called out ones of God”, those who are born again Christians, and received Him as their personal Savior through the Blood of Christ. These people trust only in the sacrifice of Calvary, and rely on nothing else for the salvation of their souls. His church is indeed “catholic”, meaning universal. He has no “denominations”. There are only two kinds of people in this world, those who are saved and those who are not saved. It sounds short an simple, and it is. Blessings.
You’re going to have a time finding the Sinner’s Prayer or any other “personal Lord and savior” experience in the Bible.

And how do you expect aborted babies to say the Sinner’s Prayer, anyway?
 
God’s church by the way are “the called out ones of God”, those who are born again Christians, and received Him as their personal Savior through the Blood of Christ. These people trust only in the sacrifice of Calvary, and rely on nothing else for the salvation of their souls. His church is indeed “catholic”, meaning universal. He has no “denominations”. There are only two kinds of people in this world, those who are saved and those who are not saved. It sounds short an simple, and it is. Blessings.
So you contend the church is just a bunch of people.
Specific people to be certain, but just people.
 
There is a small Greek particle here [non-translatable] that indicates a contingency. There are four “tills” in Matthew where this particle appears. This is contingent upon Israel receiving her Messiah, The LORD Jesus Christ.
Hope this helps.
QC
Another problem with rapturism/dispensationalism. The Jews did not reject Jesus at first. Jesus rejected their proposition that He establish an earthly kingdom! THEN, they rejected Him.

[BIBLEDRB]John 6:10-15[/BIBLEDRB]
 
The concept of “the Rapture” didn’t exist prior to the 19th century.
The “concept” of the rapture of Christ’s church existed all the way back to the first century, even when 1 Thess. 4:13-18 was written by the Apostle Paul, preserved in theopneustos Scripture for all subsequent generations of true believers to read. It may have taken centuries to put it into an eschatological construct but, nevertheless, it’s always been there as a part of Divine revelation, along with the rest of the Scriptures. Why it took so long for men to see is man’s fault, not God’s.
As for myself… I don’t put much stock in cultish type fear-based religious garbage. I leave that to the fiction writers and Hollywood. 😉
“Fear-based religious garbage?” 1 Thess. 4:18 says:"Therefore comfort one another with these words."Obviously there’s a reason why you fear these words, that you can find no comfort in them. Many of us who know, do.
 
The “concept” of the rapture of Christ’s church existed all the way back to the first century, even when 1 Thess. 4:13-18 was written by the Apostle Paul, preserved in theopneustos Scripture for all subsequent generations of true believers to read.
By “rapture” is meant a pretribulation rapture. Certainly there will be a catching up at the end of time–for Enoch, Elijah and Mary, it came sooner. But what about the rest of us? There is no proof of a pre-trib rapture in the Bible or in any teaching of any Christian church or community until the 19th century. Even Justin Martyr and the early chialists said nothing about a pretribulation rapture.

Speaking of Mary, do you accept Her assumption? If not, how can you explain Mt 16:26-28?
It may have taken centuries to put it into an eschatological construct but, nevertheless, it’s always been there as a part of Divine revelation, along with the rest of the Scriptures. Why it took so long for men to see is man’s fault, not God’s.“Fear-based religious garbage?” 1 Thess. 4:18 says:"Therefore comfort one another with these words."Obviously there’s a reason why you fear these words, that you can find no comfort in them. Many of us who know, do.
Paul is referring to the parousia, not a pre-trib rapture. The pre-trib rapture is anti-Semitic and I do not find that comforting in the slightest. Please review the last three pages of posts.
 
As it has been previously posted, the Word of God is not only what has been written on paper. For example, 2 Thessalonians 2:15.

“So then brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by *** word of mouth ***or by letter from us.”

If you wish to know how we will be judged upon the last day, read Matthew 25:31-46.
You will see who goes into heaven and who does not, and why.

Furthermore, in relation to the “Word of God” statement in John, in the beginning of that Gospel, it is said that the Word was with God, and the Word was God. That Christ was that Word, the Living Word of God. Therefore, that verse probably still does not hold water when tested in that way. But the previous scriptural quote that I’ve just added also helps.
So tell me, where do I find this “word of mouth”. May I suggest to you that everything that was said at that time was written down, otherwise, we would have quite a lot of man made stories by now. As a matter of fact I see these “man made” stories in the RC church, which cannot be found in scripture. This judgment in Matt 25:31-36 does not take place on the last day, it takes place on earth after Christ comes to reign,as verse 31 states. The Judgment seat of Christ (a time of review and reward for believers only, takes place after the rapture), Rom 14:10 and 2 Cor 5:9,10. The Great White Throne judgment takes place in eternity after the Millennium. The unsaved will be judged and cast into the lake of fire, Rev20:11-15. Blessings.
 
So tell me, where do I find this “word of mouth”. May I suggest to you that everything that was said at that time was written down, otherwise, we would have quite a lot of man made stories by now. As a matter of fact I see these “man made” stories in the RC church, which cannot be found in scripture.
Such as?
This judgment in Matt 25:31-36 does not take place on the last day, it takes place on earth after Christ comes to reign,as verse 31 states. The Judgment seat of Christ (a time of review and reward for believers only, takes place after the rapture), Rom 14:10 and 2 Cor 5:9,10. The Great White Throne judgment takes place in eternity after the Millennium. The unsaved will be judged and cast into the lake of fire, Rev20:11-15. Blessings.
And you know that because you heard it through… word of mouth.

[BIBLEDRB]Matt 25:31-36[/BIBLEDRB]

That Kingdom already exists and has existed since before the foundation of the world. Hence it cannot be some future millennial earthly kingdom.
 
You’re going to have a time finding the Sinner’s Prayer or any other “personal Lord and savior” experience in the Bible.

And how do you expect aborted babies to say the Sinner’s Prayer, anyway?
First of all, I would direct you to Luke 1:46-47 and see who rejoiced in her “Lord and Savior”. Secondly, I do not expect aborted babies, or even newly born babies to say the sinners prayer, but I do believe that until a child comes to an age of accountability, and this will very with the mentality of each child, (as I have a grandchild that may never reach the age of accountability because of his mental condition), that they will go to heaven, this is what I derive from scripture. Blessings.
 
So you contend the church is just a bunch of people.
Specific people to be certain, but just people.
Yes the Church of God is a “bunch” of people", as you call them, not a building, people are the only creatures who have a soul. Only those who are saved and are trusting in Christ ( and Him only as Savior ) are part of the Body of Christ, that is His church, and he will take them home to be with Him. Blessings.
 
First of all, I would direct you to Luke 1:46-47 and see who rejoiced in her “Lord and Savior”. Secondly, I do not expect aborted babies, or even newly born babies to say the sinners prayer, but I do believe that until a child comes to an age of accountability, and this will very with the mentality of each child, (as I have a grandchild that may never reach the age of accountability because of his mental condition), that they will go to heaven, this is what I derive from scripture. Blessings.
Mary was filled with the Holy Spirit long before that. And you’ve admitted that one can have salvation and lose it later. Moreover you’ve also admitted that salvation is not by faith alone.

But that’s pretty reasonable, right? It wouldn’t be fair for salvation to be by faith alone. Further since God wills the salvation of all, why would He allow some to die before coming to salvation?

Are you sure you’re not Catholic? 🙂
 
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