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LisaA
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Yep North Dakota just enacted a stricter law regarding abortion. Maybe state by state we can dismantle Roe.
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CaptFun
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Bar bet:
They just HAVE to see if Cardinal Burke will give them communion or not.
They just HAVE to see if Cardinal Burke will give them communion or not.
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JMJSHJ
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Catholic teaching is not determined by majority opinion. If you aren’t willing to submit to the Church’s authority on the teaching of abortion, then perhaps you might want to identify yourself with another faith. Scandal is a sin.
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CaptFun
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Let’s see if they do. Go to mass OR try to go to communion. Cardinal Burke was quite clear that he would not distribute the Eucharist to such publicly committed sinners. This is actually generous and shepherd like of him … for as you say such communions (without turning from the sin and being confessed first) would be sacrilegious (additional mortal sin(s) ).
On the other hand, wouldn’t it be wonderful if suddenly all the scandalous Catholics began to “come home” and scrape the abortion stuff from their shoes at last? They’d be welcome and treasured.
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Spencer3096
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Respectfully, the legality of the issue has no bearing on whether it is moral. Biologically speaking, new human life begins at conception, and our politicians would do well to recognize this fact. Abortion is first and foremost the destruction of an innocent human being. That makes it morally equivalent to other forms of willful murder. One purpose of laws is to enforce moral and ethical behavior. However, an immoral law (such as legal abortion) is odious, and must be opposed without compromise.
Catholics cannot “personally” oppose this issue, or that issue, but fail to act upon that opposition in the public sphere – to do so amounts to complicity. It’s not so much an issue of “forcing religious determinations” as it is an issue of protecting the innocent. In light of this, Biden and Pelosi, who publicly oppose what the Church teaches on this matter, are not good choices to send to the Papal inauguration.
If I sound harsh, I don’t mean to be. I just get tired of the “I personally oppose X, but I won’t push my beliefs on others” line. If you believe something is wrong, stand up for it!
I don’t like intrusive government either, but I dislike governments that actively promote evil even more.
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Lucky7
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You and me both. Imagine someone, a Catholic, saying, “I am personally opposed to murder or I wouldn’t commit murder, but I think others should be able to do so if they believe it is ok to do so.”Respectfully, the legality of the issue has no bearing on whether it is moral. Biologically speaking, new human life begins at conception, and our politicians would do well to recognize this fact. Abortion is first and foremost the destruction of an innocent human being. That makes it morally equivalent to other forms of willful murder. One purpose of laws is to enforce moral and ethical behavior. However, an immoral law (such as legal abortion) is odious, and must be opposed without compromise.
Catholics cannot “personally” oppose this issue, or that issue, but fail to act upon that opposition in the public sphere – to do so amounts to complicity. It’s not so much an issue of “forcing religious determinations” as it is an issue of protecting the innocent. In light of this, Biden and Pelosi, who publicly oppose what the Church teaches on this matter, are not good choices to send to the Papal inauguration.
If I sound harsh, I don’t mean to be. ** I just get tired of the “I personally oppose X, but I won’t push my beliefs on others” line.** If you believe something is wrong, stand up for it!
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Crescentinus
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Pelosi must be denied communion at all costs - even if it means that Obama would boycott the Catholic Church as a response!
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Lucky7
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Perhaps communion lines will be organized such that American Cardinals (aka Cardinal Burke, please and thank you) hand out communion to the American delegates?Let’s see if they do. Go to mass OR try to go to communion. Cardinal Burke was quite clear that he would not distribute the Eucharist to such publicly committed sinners. This is actually generous and shepherd like of him … for as you say such communions (without turning from the sin and being confessed first) would be sacrilegious (additional mortal sin(s) ).
On the other hand, wouldn’t it be wonderful if suddenly all the scandalous Catholics began to “come home” and scrape the abortion stuff from their shoes at last? They’d be welcome and treasured.
There is a strong buzz in “liberal”/“progressive” catholic circles. They like this Pope a lot already because it seems as if his focus is on the poor and reform. However, they are hoping that that means the focus will shift away from abortion and gay marriage, etc. They are not looking to change their views to match the Church’s views. They are still hoping that this Pope leads the way to further changes in the Church. It sure would be wonderful if this Pope leads them down the right path, but I wouldn’t bet on them listening/hold my breath.
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GraceSofia
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No.
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I have been blessed enough to receive Communion from the hand of Pope Benedict.
The people who receive from the Pope are decided beforehand. There is a list. We were checked TWICE. A local priest vouched that I was indeed the same person as on the list. We were seated 2 hours before Mass.
Nobody can just decide that he wants to receive from the Pope. When I was in line, some random woman stepped in front of me and security guards were on her like white on rice and she was gone in 2 seconds. This was when we were still some way from the Pope.
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Tampa_Dave
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Imagine yourself in line for Holy Communion with Biden and Pelosi. I truly wonder whether our own Father Mulaney would allow them to receive the Host.
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livnlern
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And a “rarely used procedure” does what? It kills babies.
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livnlern
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A fetus, or baby as the Church sees it, is completely innocent of any crime, unlike the people who receive the death penalty.
Personally, I’m praying that Biden’s heart will be touched in some way that will convert him back to being an authentic Catholic. Think of all he could do from the inside (of the current administration) to help our country.
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AnotherVoice
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I would like to see Pope Francis ignore both Biden and Pelosi.
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Lucky7
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Uh, no…because by the time I reached communion I wouldn’t be able to recieve either.
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Tampa_Dave
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Seriously. It’s not for me to judge, I suppose, but I can’t imagine Pelosi and Biden taking Holy Communion. But then again, we have priests like Father Flagler who administer the sacraments of the Church. Anything goes these days…
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Lucky7
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You know, I would bet that they won’t. Because it’s a mass for the Pope. What they don’t get is that every Mass is just as important as the other. And if they feel they shouldn’t receive at this mass, then that should go for all masses.
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Julianna
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exactly! Besides it’s not up to the CAF forum posters who the American government sends where, now is it?Joe Biden is the Vice President of the United States of America and as such is more than appropriate to represent the US in this diplomatic event. Nancy Pelosi is House Democratic Leader. These folks have leadership roles in our government. Of course they would be chosen to attend. It’s ludicrious to entertain the idea that he would send Paul Ryan over Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi. I understand you guys like Ryan, but he doesn’t outrank them.
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Julianna
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Are you kidding me? Really? I bet you’re the baddest bully on the block, now aren’t cha? Feeling good about yourself? Was it worth a confession? I guess so…for you.Ignore that person, you can see he has a quote from such a charming family.
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Lucky7
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No offense julianna, but you’re coming off pretty bully-like yourself.Are you kidding me? Really? I bet you’re the baddest bully on the block, now aren’t cha? Feeling good about yourself? Was it worth a confession? I guess so…for you.
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