Big Bang cannot be caused

[Tomdstone]

No because that means that BB is stable point.

The cyclic theory postulates an infinite number of BBs and Big Crunches.

 

[o_mlly]

This is a good reading.

Thanks for the reference.

Time has started at BB hence there is no physical point before because any physical theory needs time as a variable to state the evolution of state matter.
Some thing – matter – got banged. Can matter exist outside time? If it does not move, I guess so. But still common sense tells us some other thing or person did the banging. Have you ever experienced an effect that had no cause?

The BB point is the point that everything has emerged from it, including time and space.

Hawkings says “At this time … all the matter would have been on top of itself …” with infinite density. Does he mean that the matter ex nihilo instantaneously came into being and simultaneously “banged” itself, no cause given?

Yes it theory supported with many observation (read the link for more information).

It has its adherents and detractors as do all theories. Even Hawkings changes his opinion from time to time.

I have an argument for it. Knowledge is structured information and information requires form. Any intellectual being needs a space in order to preserve and process information.

A thought does not require space. Knowledge is thoughts organized, wisdom is knowledge understood. No space required to become wise.

 

[Vico]

That means that you didn’t understand my argument. How a changeless being can sustain a dynamic universe? It can’t since each state of universe is actual at now. God knows all states of universe but actual state of universe changes with time meaning that there should be a point of reference in God’s mind to track of the actual state.

Not when time is an illusion. Every even is known and there is no real passage of time.

 

[Bahman]

Thanks for the reference.

Your welcome.

Some thing – matter – got banged. Can matter exist outside time? If it does not move, I guess so. But still common sense tells us some other thing or person did the banging. Have you ever experienced an effect that had no cause?

We still don’t have a theory for quantum gravity which is essential for right after BB point. All laws of physics break at BB point so we simply don’t know.

Hawkings says “At this time … all the matter would have been on top of itself …” with infinite density. Does he mean that the matter ex nihilo instantaneously came into being and simultaneously “banged” itself, no cause given?

Yes.

It has its adherents and detractors as do all theories. Even Hawkings changes his opinion from time to time.

Yes. He changed his mind in a few occasions.

A thought does not require space. Knowledge is thoughts organized, wisdom is knowledge understood. No space required to become wise.

We need space for information since information are stored as and processed by form. Knowledge is structured information so we need space for it.

 

[Bahman]

Not when time is an illusion. Every even is known and there is no real passage of time.

So I repeat my argument without time: How a changeless being can sustain a dynamic universe? It can’t since each state of universe is actual at now. God knows all states of universe but actual state of universe changes meaning that there should be a point of reference in God’s mind to track of the actual state.

 

[Vico]

So I repeat my argument without time: How a changeless being can sustain a dynamic universe? It can’t since each state of universe is actual at now. God knows all states of universe but actual state of universe changes meaning that there should be a point of reference in God’s mind to track of the actual state.

It is called providence, God sustains through created agents.

Also, if time is subjective (illusion) then change is only apparent not real, so it is not “actual” change, but apparent change. Events are ordered, like photos in an album.

 

[Bahman]

It is called providence, God sustains through created agents.

Then who sustain agents?

Also, if time is subjective (illusion) then change is only apparent not real, so it is not “actual” change, but apparent change. Events are ordered, like photos in an album.

Change is something that we observe with our senses so it is real.

 

[Vico]

Then who sustain agents?

Change is something that we observe with our senses so it is real.

Sensory perception of an event with sensory objects does not mean that time is real.

For sustenance.

From Providence, from Catholic Encyclopedia:
Providence is the Divine Intelligence itself as it exists in the supreme principle of all things and disposes all things; or, again, it is the evolution of things temporal as conceived and brought to unity in the Divine Intelligence, which, as St. Thomas says (Summa I, G. xxii, a. 1), is the cause of all things. Providence, therefore, pertains primarily to the Intelligence of God, though it implies also will (I, Q. xxii, a. 1, ad 3 urn), and hence is defined by St. John Damascene as “the will of God by which all things are ruled according to right reason” (“De fid. orth.”, i, 3 in “P.G.”, XCIV, 963, 964). The term “Providence”, however, must not be taken too literally. It is not merely sight, or fore-sight. It involves more than mere vision or knowledge, for it implies the active disposition and arrangement of things with a view to a definite end; but it does not involve succession. God beholds all things together in one comprehensive act (I, Q. xxii, a. 3, ad 3 um), and by the same act produces, conserves, and concurs in all things (I, Q. civ a. 1, ad 4 urn).

Walker, L. (1911). Divine Providence. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. newadvent.org/cathen/12510a.htm

 

[Tomdstone]

Events are ordered, like photos in an album.

Which indicates change from one photo to the next. Time is simply the irreversible progression of events from the past through the present to the future.

Also, if time is subjective (illusion).

Time is not an illusion but something experienced in the real world.

 

[Aloysium]

Which indicates change from one photo to the next. Time is simply the irreversible progression of events from the past through the present to the future.
Time is not an illusion but something experienced in the real world.

Progression suggests a destination or some sort of growth. I would agree with that.

The analogy of time as being like a series photographs arises from our capacity to isolate events from their background, in this case, one moment from another. It may be considered illusory if we consider that the totality of events is one. A space ship on a trip to Mars can be described at any particular point on its path, but there is one journey. Our experience is such that we are present in each moment, with the past, having been much alive now appearing dead and gone, and the future, which will be likewise the place where things happen, seeming now to be merely a potentiality. The fact is that we are always alive in the moment, the past consisting of memory operating in the present and the future an as act of imagination about what might be. We are on a journey in which we know what is happening now. There is one journey of our choosing, the totality of the person we have forged from what we have been given, who is known and loved by God.

 

[Vico]

Which indicates change from one photo to the next. Time is simply the irreversible progression of events from the past through the present to the future.
Time is not an illusion but something experienced in the real world.

There are different events.

Shat you propose is one theory, called a-series. The b-series is non tensed, there is no objective present. Read Brian Green (theoretical physicist at Columbia University) on b-series.

Debate has continued over it since the Greek philosophers Heraclitus (reality is a process of ceaseless change) and Parmenides (reality is timeless and unchanging).

 

[Tomdstone]

There are different events.

Shat you propose is one theory, called a-series. The b-series is non tensed, there is no objective present. Read Brian Green (theoretical physicist at Columbia University) on b-series.

Debate has continued over it since the Greek philosophers Heraclitus (reality is a process of ceaseless change) and Parmenides (reality is timeless and unchanging).

In relativity, what one person sees as the present may differ from what another person sees as the present, but still, both experience a (possibly different) present time.

 

[Vico]

In relativity, what one person sees as the present may differ from what another person sees as the present, but still, both experience a (possibly different) present time.

McTaggert presented three ideas of the ordering of events:
The a-series - as past, present, and future
The b-series - as earlier, later
The c-series - as times that are between other times.

Reality of time requires the a-series, but the a-series is contradictory because past, present, and future are incompatible properties, yet every event must have them all. Further b-series implies a-series. For c-series, it does not require a or b series, yet, if there is more than one present, then there is more than one time. So time is not real.

Perception requires an illusion.

 

[Tomdstone]

McTaggert presented three ideas of the ordering of events:
The a-series - as past, present, and future
The b-series - as earlier, later
The c-series - as times that are between other times.

Reality of time requires the a-series, but the a-series is contradictory because past, present, and future are incompatible properties, yet every event must have them all. Further b-series implies a-series. For c-series, it does not require a or b series, yet, if there is more than one present, then there is more than one time. So time is not real.

Perception requires an illusion.

The A-Series is the correct idea, but has to be modified slightly because of the reality of relativity.

 

[Aloysium]

The hands on a watch simply spin around a fixed point.
We create time as an axis on which to plot change.
Relativity is about interaction and always an observer.

 

[Vico]

The A-Series is the correct idea, but has to be modified slightly because of the reality of relativity.

With a-series, time is unreal.

 

[Tomdstone]

With a-series, time is unreal.

In that case, it would be wrong. Time is real and there is past, present and future. But you always live in the present. The arrow of time is one way and the past cannot be changed or repeated. However, what happened in the past may influence what is occurring now and what may occur in the future. The past is real and did really happen. To deny that is to deny that Our Divine Lord rose from the dead at some time in the past. The future is what will happen at a later time.

 

[Vico]

In that case, it would be wrong. Time is real and there is past, present and future. But you always live in the present. The arrow of time is one way and the past cannot be changed or repeated. However, what happened in the past may influence what is occurring now and what may occur in the future. The past is real and did really happen. To deny that is to deny that Our Divine Lord rose from the dead at some time in the past. The future is what will happen at a later time.

What McTaggert shows in his analysis is that all three – a, b, and c series – time is an illusion. That is not saying that the events are not real.

 

[Tomdstone]

What McTaggert shows in his analysis is that all three – a, b, and c series – time is an illusion.

What do you mean by the word illusion?
What do you mean by the word time?

 

[Vico]

What do you mean by the word illusion?
What do you mean by the word time?

Time is a non-spatial continuum that is measured in terms of events.

The flow is the illusion. If time moves, what can it move in respect to?

Illusion: the apparent passage of time is a feature of our perceptual situation rather than of the objective world itself.

It may be said that a light signal is propagated from one part of space-time to another, but what should be said is that the light signal lies, without tense, along a line between these two regions of space-time. In Physics the fourth dimension unites is ct where c is the speed of light, t is the time coordinate.