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Hey if you don’t like the Copenhagen Interpretation of QM because of its implication for causality; jump on Hugh Everitt’s Many World Interpretation band wagon, it’s deterministic.The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, which in effect claims that which cannot be measured exactly does not occur exactly (uncertainty principle), has been illegitimately extended to the macro level in which cosmologists fantasize about entire universes popping into existence out of nothing.
All of this is a spin-off of Heinsenberg’s nonsensical claim that he conclusively disproved the law of causality.
On the other hand, if a cosmologist believes that Heisenberg’s disproved the law of causality, then by logical extension of Heisenberg’s quantum fluctuations, it must apply to the cosmologist himself who then only exists, as anything else does according to Bohr, when it “collapses into existence”. This collapse into existence of the cosmologist can only happen when another person perceives the cosmologist. And this event must be synchronized with the perceiver’s collapse into existence, and so on…
I don’t understand what you are trying to say. But don’t bother explaining; it appears to be superfluous to the point I was making…The utter nonsense entailed in the idea that nothing exists until it is perceived leads to the belief that physics does not actually study reality; rather than physics being about reality, it is only about the theorems in the mind of the physicists.
An UNWARRENTED leap in logic!!! My, my I must be a very bad boy. I can tell that you have never put much thought into the simple but intriguing statement, “nothing exists”. One of my first forays into the maelstrom that is this forum I proposed a proof of God with the syllogism: Nothing exists/God is Nothing/ therefore God Exists. Boy that drew the loonies out of the woods and I was branded a heretic among other pejorative accusations. The word “nothing” apparently is denotative, but to those with some philosophical imagination there are many connotations. For example, Leucippus pointed out, “unless there is a void with a separate being of its own, ‘what is’ cannot be moved – nor again can it be ‘many’, since there is nothing to keep things apart.” What he is pointing out is that there could be no motion nor discrete entities (form) without “nothing” keeping things apart. In this connotation ‘nothing’ certainly is something and the leap in logic is a mere baby step!.This is where you have made an unwarranted leap in logic. The scientist cannot say “nothing”. He can only say he does not know. There is a monumental difference between the two answers.
Furthermore, not only must the scientists say he does not know, he must maintain that science “cannot” know.
If in fact there was “nothing” before the initial singularity, science cannot affirm that idea because the “nothing” can never be an object of scientific knowledge.
There is an infinite gap between “nothing” and “something”, between being and non-being, between existence and non-existence.
On the same grounds as Leucippus, the Greek teacher of Democritus.I am not sure I understand this phrase “an infinite sea of continuous space-like substance I call infinite nothingness”. Modern cosmological thinking gets fuzzy and anti-metaphysical when it asserts that nothing is something. Accordingly, on what grounds do you refer to a supposedly existing substance as nothing? Is this not the same logical and ontological error made by many modern cosmologist who blur the line between non-existence and existence.
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