Big Bang

[Jim_Baur]

Let me start with a little saying: With a collision there you are. With an explosion, where are you?

I do not know how to ask the questions, and surely I do not know how to answer them.

Has science found the location of the Big Bang?

Is there a big, big, big void at the center of the Big Bang?

 

[CatherineOH]

To put it simply, (extremely simply) yes.
It is the center of the universe of which our planetary system within our Galaxy is just a speck of dust. the universe is expanding outwards from this center proving the power of the original big bang.

You can look for more in depth information on NASA’s forums and pages as well as various physics pages. It is an interesting subject.

I think it truly is the first few ‘hours’ of the first day of Genesis. He created the heaven and earth, but the earth was without form and void… By earth years, it took a long time, (some say 600 million years) but is but a speck of a second in God’s time

 

[The_Bucket]

Oh it was far longer than 600 million years. Our own Earth started forming just over 4.5 billion years ago. We think we’ve come close to finding the time of the big bang and it’s general location, but there’s no big void there. At least not that we can see. Remember that we look back through time when we look into space, so if we’re seeing light and detecting background radiation 8 billion light years away, then we’re seeing what was there 8 billion years ago. We can’t really know what’s currently going on at where the singularity once was.

For the record, scientists believe the Big Bang took place about 13.75 billion years ago. But who knows how long the singularity existed or if there was another universe before our present one!

Oh and by the way, the guy that first postulated the Big Bang was a Catholic priest!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

 

[Alberti_Devoveo]

Let me start with a little saying: With a collision there you are. With an explosion, where are you?

I do not know how to ask the questions, and surely I do not know how to answer them.

Has science found the location of the Big Bang?

Is there a big, big, big void at the center of the Big Bang?

Since the big bang started space and time there is no spatial center of the explosion because it was a 4-dimensional explosion, not a 3-dimensional one.

Technically speaking, the “location” of the big bang is everywhere because everywhere is expanding away from everywhere else! And there is no void, at least not one we can observe because we are 3D people in a 4D world!

 

[GaryTaylor]

science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/

This may help.

 

[Robertanthony]

As a side-question where does the Earth, the solar system or the milky way fit geographically in the universe? I Googled that question some time ago and the general concensus seemed to be that we don’t know where exactly we are in the universe.

 

[Robertanthony]

Oh it was far longer than 600 million years. Our own Earth started forming just over 4.5 billion years ago. We think we’ve come close to finding the time of the big bang and it’s general location, but there’s no big void there. At least not that we can see. Remember that we look back through time when we look into space, so if we’re seeing light and detecting background radiation 8 billion light years away, then we’re seeing what was there 8 billion years ago. We can’t really know what’s currently going on at where the singularity once was.

For the record, scientists believe the Big Bang took place about 13.75 billion years ago. But who knows how long the singularity existed or if** there was another universe before our present one!**
Oh and by the way, the guy that first postulated the Big Bang was a Catholic priest!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

God created the universe ex nihilo. It can’t be any clearer or plainer than that.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

God created the universe ex nihilo. It can’t be any clearer or plainer than that.

That doesn’t preclude the existence of a previous universe. Ex nihilo means “from nothing,” meaning that there was no matter or time. One of the dominant theories about the end of our universe is that it is stretching out, and shall continue to do so until the bonds which hold the atoms together will become so stretched that the atoms themselves will dissolve into nothingness. If this is correct, then our universe will essentially return to nothingness, which is the state it was in prior to God’s intervention. Even if this isn’t the case, who’s to say God didn’t just wipe the slate clean, like a giant etch-a-sketch

Please note, I’m not saying that I believe this, just that it is a possibility, and belief in it does not contradict Church teachings.

 

[inocente]

God created the universe ex nihilo. It can’t be any clearer or plainer than that.

Not necessarily according to Georges Lemaitre:

We may speak of this event as of a beginning. I do not say a creation. Physically it is a beginning in the sense that if something happened before, it has no observable influence on the behavior of our universe, as any feature of matter before this beginning has been completely lost by the extreme contraction at the theoretical zero. Any preexistence of the universe has a metaphysical character. Physically, everything happens as if the theoretical zero was really a beginning. The question if it was really a beginning or rather a creation, something started from nothing, is a philosophical question which cannot be settled by physical or astronomical considerations. - catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=8847

 

[The_Bucket]

That doesn’t preclude the existence of a previous universe. Ex nihilo means “from nothing,” meaning that there was no matter or time. One of the dominant theories about the end of our universe is that it is stretching out, and shall continue to do so until the bonds which hold the atoms together will become so stretched that the atoms themselves will dissolve into nothingness. If this is correct, then our universe will essentially return to nothingness, which is the state it was in prior to God’s intervention. Even if this isn’t the case, who’s to say God didn’t just wipe the slate clean, like a giant etch-a-sketch

Please note, I’m not saying that I believe this, just that it is a possibility, and belief in it does not contradict Church teachings.

Precisely. We don’t know if ours is a singular universe or if there’s a multiverse out there or if this is even the original incarnation of the universe and there have been many more universes before this one.

We might be alone in this universe/multiverse or there might be other life forms. Those hypothetical life forms could be sentient or not. None of that conflicts with the fact that God at some point created from nothing whatever started the universe/multiverse/whatever, breathed souls into us and sent His only Son to die for us. His redemption through His Earthly death expands beyond all space and time.

 

[Proceedings]

Some interesting material on God, Creation and the Big Bang:

arguingwithatheists.com/Pages/Bible_References.htm

 

[JDaniel]

Let me start with a little saying: With a collision there you are. With an explosion, where are you?

I do not know how to ask the questions, and surely I do not know how to answer them.

Has science found the location of the Big Bang?

Is there a big, big, big void at the center of the Big Bang?

Jim:

Remember: the appellation, the"Big Bang," was given to Fr. LaMaitre’s concept as derisive. As science learned more and more, that it may well be the best way to describe it, the appellation caught on.

The Big Bang was not necessarily an explosion in the sense that we think of explosions these days. To my way of thinking, God started with a “point,” also called a “singularity.” A point is a non-dimensional exigency that may be a single point, or it may be a multitude of points. I believe that the singularity from which the Universe began, was a huge, but finite, multitude of points that, at God’s command, began to expand. As points rolled out and away from the original singularity, they spread out into an orderly lattice. They didn’t shoot out in chaotic directions as they were made to possess charges. Their charges prevented them from becoming completely disordered.

As these points (a/k/a “point particles”) expanded away from each other, distension (space) became apparent (were we there to have seen it). By some method of configuring point particles, matter, as we think of it, as having mass, weight, became “realized.” Whether matter/energy is “real” as we think it to be or not is irrelevant. For at least we, as creatures of matter and soul compositions think of it, it at least is to us.

Where ever that initial singularity - within the Infinite - was when it began to expand, we can only postulate as the apparent center point of the universe, i.e., that indistinct spot from which its expansion seems to grow out from. Will we ever find that precise spot, within the Infinite, where God instantiated the singularity, is doubtful. All we are able to “see” are ripples, as one might see on the surface of a placid late that tell us that a fish jumped, somewhere over there.

God bless,
jd

 

[Proceedings]

Most scientists think the Big Bang came from a Big Crunch from a previous Universe that collapsed upon itself with such gravity that it’s size approached nothingness. And that eventually our Universe will stop expanding, reverse and do the same.

 

[JDaniel]

Most scientists think the Big Bang came from a Big Crunch from a previous Universe that collapsed upon itself with such gravity that it’s size approached nothingness. And that eventually our Universe will stop expanding, reverse and do the same.

Pro:

How do you know this?

God bless,
jd

 

[Proceedings]

How do you know this?

The link in my last post, and a little Googling.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Has science found the location of the Big Bang?

Locations are usually expressed as a displacement in space with respect to a point of reference. If space is the result of the big bang there are no other points of reference or pre-existing space in which there can be a displacement.

As a side-question where does the Earth, the solar system or the milky way fit geographically in the universe?

Geographic locations use the earth as a point of reference with respect to the rest of the universe you might want to use Galactic coordinates (which can be used to express locations outside of the earth).

It’s in the center of the “known” universe. That doesn’t tell you where it is with respect to the stuff that we don’t yet know yet. Between limitations from the speed of light and red shift there are already factors limiting what can be known at this time. Now if you want to know where the earth is with respect to a specific point of reference that can be expressed.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Most scientists think the Big Bang came from a Big Crunch from a previous Universe that collapsed upon itself with such gravity that it’s size approached nothingness.

That page say that most scientist accept Big Bang Theory, but the Big Crunch conclusion is not being attributed to most scientist.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

Most scientists think the Big Bang came from a Big Crunch from a previous Universe that collapsed upon itself with such gravity that it’s size approached nothingness. And that eventually our Universe will stop expanding, reverse and do the same.

Correction. " Most " is hypoperbole. Some would be more accurate. And some do not think this way. A " Big Crunch " is the stuff of science fiction, no evidence for that at all. Besides, that would imply that the universe or universes created themselves. But this is an implication that has no evidence at all.

Thomas Aquinas demonstrated that even an eternal universe or universes must have a Creating First Cause, itself Uncaused and Unchangeable. This is a philosophical demonstration but it represents the only reasonable conclusion. No one can give a reasonable explanation of how a limited, material universe or universes could just happen " to be, " that it could explain its own existence for starters. Again, some accept it and some do not.

But the Catholic Church has defined the truth that God created the universe, ex nihilo, before which there was no universe. That God created the universe and all its properties, space, time, matter, waves, energies, etc.

wordonfire.org/WOF-TV/Commentaries-New/Fr–Barron-comments-on-Scientism-and-God-s-Existen.aspx

 

[Jim_Baur]

Those that accept the Big Bang, that is, the scientist, do they have time the same all over the universe?

Is time the same here as it is on the other sides of the universe?

If time is relative, how does that fit in with the 15,000,000,000 years from the Big Bang?

THANKS!!!

 

[ProdglArchitect]

But the Catholic Church has defined the truth that God created the universe, ex nihilo, before which there was no universe. That God created the universe and all its properties, space, time, matter, waves, energies, etc.

wordonfire.org/WOF-TV/Commentaries-New/Fr–Barron-comments-on-Scientism-and-God-s-Existen.aspx

But “before” is a mere human construct used to describe a moment in time. It has no meaning to God… I agree that God created all things in this reality, but this reality is not necessarily limited to a single universe.