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The U.S. Department of Justice is quietly shopping around the explosive idea of requiring Internet service providers to retain records of their customers’ online activities.

Data retention rules could permit police to obtain records of e-mail chatter, Web browsing or chat-room activity months after Internet providers ordinarily would have deleted the logs–that is, if logs were ever kept in the first place. No U.S. law currently mandates that such logs be kept.

In theory, at least, data retention could permit successful criminal and terrorism prosecutions that otherwise would have failed because of insufficient evidence. But privacy worries and questions about the practicality of assembling massive databases of customer behavior have caused a similar proposal to stall in Europe and could engender stiff opposition domestically.

The U.S. Department of Justice is mulling data retention rules that could permit police to obtain records of e-mail, browsing or chat-room activity months after ISPs ordinarily would have deleted the logs–if they were ever kept in the first place.

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Data retention could aid criminal and terrorism prosecutions, but privacy worries and questions about the practicality of assembling massive databases of customer behavior could engender stiff opposition to the proposal.
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In Europe, the Council of Justice and Home Affairs ministers say logs must be kept for between one and three years. One U.S. industry representative, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Justice Department is interested in at least a two-month requirement.

Justice Department officials endorsed the concept at a private meeting with Internet service providers and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, according to interviews with multiple people who were present. The meeting took place on April 27 at the Holiday Inn Select in Alexandria, Va.

“It was raised not once but several times in the meeting, very emphatically,” said Dave McClure, president of the U.S. Internet Industry Association, which represents small to midsize companies. “We were told, ‘You’re going to have to start thinking about data retention if you don’t want people to think you’re soft on child porn.’”

news.com.com/Your%2520ISP%2520as%2520Net%2520watchdog/2100-1028_3-5748649.html
 
This is just another effort to infringe on the right to privacy of individuals who are not committing any crime and if we allow it then we will pay for it later…especially as Catholics under a possible antichrist government.

**“The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding”. – Louis D. Brandeis, ‘Olmstead’ v. ‘the United States’

“Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak; and that it is doing God’s service, when it is violating all His laws.” – John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, quoted by James Reston, ‘The New York Times’, Nov. 21, 1984

“You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man’s freedom. You can only be free if I am free”. – Clarence Darrow, ‘People’ v. ‘Lloyd’, 1920

“The public good is in nothing more essentially interested than in the protection of every individual’s private rights”. – William Blackstone, ‘Commentaries’

“It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer.” – William Blackstone, ‘Commentaries on the Laws of England’ **
 
Like my privacy. But, there is nothing I would be ashamed of for anyone to see. LOL Mostly RC sites, some Trad and places to purchase skirts, wigs and hats.:whacky:

OOPS :banghead: Alot of homeschooling stuff that makes us real extreamists I guess. Some about freedon of speech and the right to own guns.

But really, we do not have privcy now. :nope: Those who think they do are wrong in their thinking. Big Brother can and will find out anything about us if he so desires.
 
places to purchase skirts, wigs and hats.
Busted!! Perhaps those wigs and hats are to serve as disguises as you carry out your orders from Al-Qaida! The Government must suspect everyone!!!
 
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jlw:
The only “Big Brother” I should have is Jesus Christ.
Don’t be so sure. “Ve are vatching you.”
 
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KathleenElsie:
Like my privacy. But, there is nothing I would be ashamed of for anyone to see. LOL Mostly RC sites, some Trad and places to purchase skirts, wigs and hats.:whacky:

OOPS :banghead: Alot of homeschooling stuff that makes us real extreamists I guess. Some about freedon of speech and the right to own guns.

But really, we do not have privcy now. :nope: Those who think they do are wrong in their thinking. Big Brother can and will find out anything about us if he so desires.
Stuff like that will probabaly get you arrested in Canada in the near future.

Of course, one good thing if this is deemed constitutional, the right to privacy arguement for abortion will be nullified.

PF
 
"…The Social Security Administration has relaxed its privacy restrictions and turned over information on thousands of people to the FBI as part of terrorism investigations since the Sept. 11 attacks, newly disclosed records and interviews show.

While the agency, whose main role is running the nationally financed retirement system, typically bans the disclosure of such sensitive information, officials began providing the information just days after the attacks to help the FBI get data on the hijackers, possible terrorists and even victims of the attack. The disclosures came in agency documents that were obtained by a private group through a freedom-of-information request and provided to The New York Times.

Social Security officials, in policy memos beginning on Sept. 13, 2001, and updated through last year, authorized a policy allowing the FBI to gain access in some cases to the documents, including earnings and employer information.

In the past, the agency had insisted on privacy standards that went beyond U.S. law, disclosing information to law enforcement officials only for someone who had been indicted. Under the eased rules, the agency also shared information in at least one other major investigation - the 2002 investigation of the sniper attacks in the Washington area, the documents show…

iht.com/articles/2005/06/22/news/social.php
 
i think americans are giving up freedom and independance in the name of “homeland security”. it’s happening chip by chip…

i think it’s going to get ugly. i’m afraid, but i am glad i am getting old.

is it possible that 9/11 could have been allowed to happen? was pearl harbor allowed to happen? could i be becoming a ‘noid’?
 
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jjwilkman:
i think americans are giving up freedom and independance in the name of “homeland security”. it’s happening chip by chip…

i think it’s going to get ugly. i’m afraid, but i am glad i am getting old.

is it possible that 9/11 could have been allowed to happen? was pearl harbor allowed to happen? could i be becoming a ‘noid’?
"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding". – Louis D. Brandeis, ‘Olmstead’ v. ‘the United States’
I agree 100% jj.
 
When people speak of “virtual” this and that or cyber space they act as if it is an imaginary place that really doesn’t exist. The fact of the matter is that all this data is on someone’s computer…someone else’s computer.
Most of the Net is maintained at private or corporate expense

The stored archives of the Usenet, which used to be owned by universities, are now in private hands (Google IIRC)

So a lot of our “privacy” depends upon the good will of others to keep it that way.

That being said the law mentioned above (if it is real and not just a variation on the “post office to charge for e-mail” hoax which I suspect it is) is kind of pointless in that a skillful user can easily use pseudonyms and anonymous news and mail servers

Anyone here received any spam recently?

Plus there is the little fact the US congress doesn’t have jurisdiction on the other 94% of the world
 
Recently I’ve been thinking about these satellite-enabled systems in cars these days, such as on star.

Wouldn’t it b convenient for Big Brother if all cars were required to have these – if nothing else maybe built into the license plates. Cars could be tracked and patterns analyzed, so based on your driving patterns you could be chosen for further scrutiny.

Oh yes, it’s all fo us because if our car is stolen then they can find it quickly.

Technology is in place for all of this. A little software, maybe, and we’re good to go!

Heil, Big Brother! :bowdown:

Alan
 
This is all pretty scary. What seems to be for our “good” and for “security” now can become a way to persecute certain religions later. :bigyikes:
 
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