big difference between Catholics and Protestants

[rinnie]

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Where do protestants say its all about money?
Jesus didn’t give priests the power to forgive sin, he gave his disciples that power

Methodists baptize babies.

I am glad you have learned so much, really, I am

Tell ya what. Look up on this site about annulments. That is actually where I learned that many protestants believe they are about money. Then please come back (Edited).

Next what does an annulment and Jesus giving the apostles the power to forgive sin have to do with each other:shrug:

Next where did I say ALL protestants do not baptize babies

One more important thing, I understand that you feel that I am very stupid, but what is a Priest if he is not a Disciple of Christ?

 

[ChristianKnight]

Tell ya what. Look up on this site about annulments. That is actually where I learned that many protestants believe they are about money. Then please come back (Edited).

Next what does an annulment and Jesus giving the apostles the power to forgive sin have to do with each other:shrug:

Next where did I say ALL protestants do not baptize babies

One more important thing, (Edited) but what is a Priest if he is not a Disciple of Christ?

This website says that? If that is true, then I am gonna leave this forum, cause that is just plain arrogant.

You said most, and I know a lot who do. Next time say some.

A human?

 

[a_priori]

Wow you are either stupid or just ignorant of knowledge.

You are obviously a bright, well-intentioned person. As time goes by you will have more and more to say on the Big Questions of life. To earn a seat at the table and to be taken seriously (and you should indeed be taken seriously) you should resist the temptation to go ad hominem like that. You remind me of someone else at your age.

 

[Church_Militant]

Where, in the Bible, is a Catholic priest given the power to forgive sins? I thought the Bible said that God alone has the authority to forgive sins. Isn’t that the reason for the “Savior”?

This is easily found right there in any New Testament. I wrote these articles that deal with this.
Catholic Confession
Scriptures About Penance
“I Find No Sacraments In the Bible” he said.

(Edited)
Jesus didn’t give priests the power to forgive sin, he gave his disciples that power

Methodists baptize babies.

I think you’ll find that the New Testament disagrees with you CK. In fact, a great many n-C faith communities do too, (at least in practice) when they perform a laying on of hands on ministers, which actually proves that they also believe there is a difference in the ministerial priesthood of some believers vs the priesthood of all believers ** only**. If not, why lay hands on them as the New Testament says they did?

 

[SIA]

The Big difference I see between Catholic’s and Protestants are the sacraments/

Holy Orders, This is what Jesus gave to the Apostles when they received the Power of the Holy Spirit. IT has never ended Protestants disagree with this.

Marriage, God gave Priests the power to join 2 people together and become one. It is very hard to get an annulment in the Church. Protestants disagree with this, they say it all about money, that is not true.

communion . Jesus said this is my Body this is my blood, Protestants disagree with this, they say it is just a symbol. Catholic’s believe what Jesus said it is the living Christ.

Penance, Catholics believe that the Priest has the power to forgive sins, because Jesus said so. Protestants say this is not true.

Anointing of the sick. Catholics believe that Priests have the power to cure. Protestants said no.

Confirmation is a spititual seal after communion that seals your faith with God. kind of the personal relationship with God that we are confirming, which we are told we do not have.

Baptism Of course what we give our Children at birth. The Catholic view is give that soul to God as soon as possible. Again alot of protestants disagree with.

Now I am not saying all protestants feel this way, but from the last two years on this site, Most.

But that is some of the biggest difference’s I have seen. And of course the Blessed Mother.

How do other’s feel? Protestant and Catholic?

You seem to presume alot about Protestants as a whole.

 

[SIA]

There is no list that won’t be contradicted on every point, except for the point of Authority, by some Protestant denomination somewhere.

Not all Protestants are “sola scriptura”.

Not all Protestants permit the use of birth control.

Not all Protestants practice “open communion.”

Not all Protestants hold to a symbolic view of the Eucharist.

Not all Protestants use a 66-book Bible - in fact, more and more of them are moving to the 73-book Bible.

Not all Protestants believe in “once saved, always saved.” (In fact, proportionally when you look at world wide statistics, very few of them believe in this.)

Not all Protestants reject the idea that grace is transmitted to us through the Sacraments, or that we increase in grace by doing good deeds.

Your statement here demonstrates to me that you have the best Catholic perspective I have witnessed on here about others who are not Roman Catholic. You are correct in everything you said to boot.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Your statement here demonstrates to me that you have the best Catholic perspective I have witnessed on here about others who are not Roman Catholic. You are correct in everything you said to boot.

I absolutely concur. It was wonderful to read.

 

[guanophore]

Where, in the Bible, is a Catholic priest given the power to forgive sins? I thought the Bible said that God alone has the authority to forgive sins. Isn’t that the reason for the “Savior”?

Welcome to CAF NonCatholic. Yes, God alone has the authority to forgive sins. He also has the freedom to share His authority with anyone He wishes. He chose His Apostles, and as He was given authority by the father, so He sent them with His own authority. Otherwise, what do you think the verse could mean when it says “whose sins you forgive, they are forgive, whose sins you retain, they are retained”?

 

[Through_Him]

The Big difference I see between Catholic’s and Protestants are the sacraments/

Holy Orders, This is what Jesus gave to the Apostles when they received the Power of the Holy Spirit. IT has never ended Protestants disagree with this.

Marriage, God gave Priests the power to join 2 people together and become one. It is very hard to get an annulment in the Church. Protestants disagree with this, they say it all about money, that is not true.

communion . Jesus said this is my Body this is my blood, Protestants disagree with this, they say it is just a symbol. Catholic’s believe what Jesus said it is the living Christ.

Penance, Catholics believe that the Priest has the power to forgive sins, because Jesus said so. Protestants say this is not true.

Anointing of the sick. Catholics believe that Priests have the power to cure. Protestants said no.

Confirmation is a spititual seal after communion that seals your faith with God. kind of the personal relationship with God that we are confirming, which we are told we do not have.

Baptism Of course what we give our Children at birth. The Catholic view is give that soul to God as soon as possible. Again alot of protestants disagree with.

Now I am not saying all protestants feel this way, but from the last two years on this site, Most.

But that is some of the biggest difference’s I have seen. And of course the Blessed Mother.

How do other’s feel? Protestant and Catholic?

Baptism Of course what we give our Children at birth. The Catholic view is give that soul to God as soon as possible. Again alot of protestants disagree with.

This seems to be a **BIG **issue to me.
I am Catholic and this basic belief of The Sacrament of Baptism is very much I think considered not that important to most. They minimize it.

 

[guanophore]

Baptism Of course what we give our Children at birth. The Catholic view is give that soul to God as soon as possible. Again alot of protestants disagree with.

This seems to be a **BIG **issue to me.
I am Catholic and this basic belief of The Sacrament of Baptism is very much I think considered not that important to most. They minimize it.

It is a sad fact that many Catholics do not understand their baptism, and are poorly catechized about what it means, and how to live it out.

 

[JonNC]

It is a sad fact that many Catholics do not understand their baptism, and are poorly catechized about what it means, and how to live it out.

My guess is that Catholics are not alone in this.
Jon

 

[guanophore]

My guess is that Catholics are not alone in this.
Jon

No, but the fact that so many Catholics are is one of the main reasons we are NOT alone, and that there are so many people looking elsewhere for the truth. I know, I did it myself for a long time.

 

[NonCatholic]

guanophore:

Otherwise, what do you think the verse could mean when it says “whose sins you forgive, they are forgive, whose sins you retain, they are retained”?

Matthew 18:15-18 15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 “Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”

He said that to Peter but it wasn’t just unique to Peter. It was true of all the other Apostles, it’s true of all preachers, it’s true of all of us.

The rabbis used to say, “If you don’t repent your sin is bound to you. If you do, it’s loosed from you.” That’s an old rabbinical concept. The rabbis/teachers would say, “You obey the Law, you’re free. You disobey the Law, you’re bound in sin.” And that’s what that’s saying.

In other words, when you say to someone…“You won’t repent, you’re bound in your sin,” heaven is in agreement with that. You’re doing on earth what has been done in heaven, like the disciples’ prayer says. And if you say to someone, “You know, I want to tell you, because of your confession of faith in Jesus Christ and your affirmation that He’s your Savior and Lord, your sins are loosed from you, you are forgiven,” and when you said that you know you’re saying on earth what heaven has already said.

 

[rinnie]

You seem to presume alot about Protestants as a whole.

What did I say that offended you? I just stated what I have read on here for the last 2 years, and just what I saw to be the biggest issues. What statements did you disagree with?

 

[Alix1912]

What did I say that offended you? I just stated what I have read on here for the last 2 years, and just what I saw to be the biggest issues. What statements did you disagree with?

Several people have posted pointing out where you are incorrect. You are presuming a lot about all protestants. You are forgetting that most of the litergical protestant denominations actually share a lot of theology, moral values and religous practices with the Catholic Church. I’ve been on these boards for a while too, and have not seen what you are seeing. Don’t get mad when you make blanket statements and are called on it.

 

[rinnie]

:slapfight: :slapfight:

Several people have posted pointing out where you are incorrect. You are presuming a lot about all protestants. You are forgetting that most of the litergical protestant denominations actually share a lot of theology, moral values and religous practices with the Catholic Church. I’ve been on these boards for a while too, and have not seen what you are seeing. Don’t get mad when you make blanket statements and are called on it.

Oh I am not mad But you are right we do disagree:slapfight: Just kidding! But that’s okay. I still have never met protestants who agreed with all of the sacraments. Very few in fact. But you and I may have read different threads you are right. Because most disagreements are over the sacraments that I have read. If they agreed with all of the sacaments they would indeed be Catholic But I see more that agree with me on this than don’t. But its not about agreeing or not, Its about learning and letting people at least know the truth about our faith.

 

[rinnie]

And while you are mad at me for my list I mind as well add another biggie. The Pope. They say the Pope has no authority at all. He is just a man just like anyone else and just as bad as sinner. And do not agree at all that he has the power of the Holy Spirit! Well I LOVE HIM! I think he is awesome, and is a wonderful example of the Catholic Faith. I have not seen any role models in the last 40 years who were any better examples then our last 2 popes. :bowdown2:

 

[jmcrae]

Matthew 18:15-18 15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 “Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”

He said that to Peter but it wasn’t just unique to Peter. It was true of all the other Apostles, it’s true of all preachers, it’s true of all of us.

The rabbis used to say, “If you don’t repent your sin is bound to you. If you do, it’s loosed from you.” That’s an old rabbinical concept. The rabbis/teachers would say, “You obey the Law, you’re free. You disobey the Law, you’re bound in sin.” And that’s what that’s saying.

First, which Rabbis, and when?

Second, if it was so common, why did Jesus make it a special charism of the Apostles? (Could Jews at the time of Jesus forgive sins simply by saying “You are forgiven?” I seem to remember something about a whole system of sacrifices, with different animals sacrificed for different kinds of sins and impurities.)

In other words, when you say to someone…“You won’t repent, you’re bound in your sin,” heaven is in agreement with that.

Unless you are actually telling me what your sins are, and whether you are willing to make amends for them, how do I know whether you are repentant, or not?

If you are just confessing to God in your heart, I have no way of knowing whether you have repented, or not.

You’re doing on earth what has been done in heaven, like the disciples’ prayer says. And if you say to someone, “You know, I want to tell you, because of your confession of faith in Jesus Christ and your affirmation that He’s your Savior and Lord, your sins are loosed from you, you are forgiven,” and when you said that you know you’re saying on earth what heaven has already said.

And again, unless we are actually having a conversation about this, how would I know whether you had done that, or not, in order to be able to say anything at all to you about it?

Aricular confession seems to be assumed, in that passage.

 

[rinnie]

Several people have posted pointing out where you are incorrect. You are presuming a lot about all protestants. You are forgetting that most of the litergical protestant denominations actually share a lot of theology, moral values and religous practices with the Catholic Church. I’ve been on these boards for a while too, and have not seen what you are seeing. Don’t get mad when you make blanket statements and are called on it.

Also where did I say all. I did not. I made a point to not say all. I said most. All I did was point out the sacraments as being what most of the disagreements were about. I never said any protestant disagreed with ever single one. Then I asked others what they saw, And I asked Protestants also what they thought we disagreed with also. I cannot believe you have been on these boards and not seen these disagreements. But hey:shrug: You claim you never have, Thats cool! You claim they have alot in common with us thats even Cooler.:tiphat:

 

[Alix1912]

And while you are mad at me for my list I mind as well add another biggie. The Pope. They say the Pope has no authority at all. He is just a man just like anyone else and just as bad as sinner. And do not agree at all that he has the power of the Holy Spirit! Well I LOVE HIM! I think he is awesome, and is a wonderful example of the Catholic Faith. I have not seen any role models in the last 40 years who were any better examples then our last 2 popes. :bowdown2:

In so much as the pope is infallible when he speaks from the throne of St. Peter…I don’t believe he is. Your own doctrine makes no claims to infalliablilty outside of speaking from the Throne of Saint Peter. Throughout history there have been some pretty bad popes. However the current pope and John Paul II are and were very holy and good men. They set an amazing example of faith and hope for the rest of the world. I believe that they probably are a lot closer to God than I am. But honestly they should be…that’s their JOB. They spend there entire day everyday devoted to doing God’s work…I would hope they are closer to him than I am. That being said…I’ve also met protestant clergy that were amzing examples of faith and hope too.

Also where did I say all. I did not. I made a point to not say all. I said most. All I did was point out the sacraments as being what most of the disagreements were about. I never said any protestant disagreed with ever single one. Then I asked others what they saw, And I asked Protestants also what they thought we disagreed with also. I cannot believe you have been on these boards and not seen these disagreements. But hey:shrug: You claim you never have, Thats cool! You claim they have alot in common with us thats even Cooler.:tiphat:

I see that more than sacraments and theology…most protestants have more of an issue with the exclusionary nature of the Catholic Church than all the other stuff. That’s my biggest issue. I really don’t worry too much about if the Pope really is infallible or not, or if Mary was born without sin or not, or if marriage is a sacrament or a covenant…I don’t honestly care about it that much. I do care about the fact that my pastors are more than willing to work with my interfaith marriage, but my husbands priest is not.