big difference between Catholics and Protestants

[Alix1912]

I do not feel that we put protestants in a large melting pot. That is your opinion of me. But you really don’t know what I think. . Over 50% of my friends are protestant. And I love them. I married a protestant for goodness sake. I just don’t agree with any faith that leaves the CC. But I still love the People. You act like if someone is protestant I dislike them or something. I just don’t see eye to eye with them on their faith is all. What is a Protestant, a faith that protests the CC. A true Catholic will never be swayed from their Church. If so not for long. It is the true Church. Do you deny that it is the Church that Peter started. I never said I disagree with everything in the faith, ALot of it is the same as ours. But if Christ started the Church why would I feel that I could change it. I can’t. There is no need to be bitter or mean because I do not agree with your faith. You disagree with mine and that is fine. What I love about the RCC is it is the bible. It has it all. And in the bible it says to stay true to your church. Why does that upset you so bad? Where does it say in the bible that someone will come along and change your Church? IT does not. But does it say there will be trials yes it does, And has it happened yes it has. And is it still here, Yes it is. Just like Jesus said.

In response to the above post

I do know how you feel. You used alot of words to merely say that Protestants are all the same in your eyes. That is exactly what I said in my previous post that you refuted.

I agree with you…I think the entire thread has really been about the attempt to over simplfy protestants down to the lowest opinion possible to make it easier to attack us. Unfortunalty it isn’t working. Rinnie, several people have pointed out your errors both in your assumptions about protestants and in your knowledge of your own theology. Please don’t get offended, but use it as an opportunity to learn and study more.

 

[guanophore]

Please re read my posts and the responses to them…Your response to my statement about not believing in papal infallibility was: “What do you think Jesus meant when He said that the Spirit would lead the Church into “all Truth”?”

OK. :doh2:

I see. So, are the things you posted your answer? And do you think that the Catholic Church teaches differently?
"Church Militant:

Your lack of belief does not change the fact that the vast majority of the doctrines of Christianity are those that have been affirmed, explained, and defended by the popes.

Are you saying that Salvation is a Catholics only thing? Because that is exclusionary indeed. I guess I’m not overly concerned that my husband is Catholic from a salvation stand point because I don’t see salvation as a Lutheran only thing.

Salvation is a Jesus only thing! Jesus only founded One Church, and there is only One Body, One Faith.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Alix1912]

And do you think that the Catholic Church teaches differently?

I don’t think that the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope and the Holy Spirit are the same…I think there are a lot of Catholics who equate them to be the same.

Salvation is a Jesus only thing! Jesus only founded One Church, and there is only One Body, One Faith.

So are you basically saying salvation is a Catholic Only thing. Or in your mind does that extend to other denominations as well. Because your above statement seems to just be and attempt to repackage what I was saying about Catholics believeing that Salvation is a Catholic only thing, in a manner that is less confrontational, but still means the same thing.

 

[jmcrae]

Are you saying that Salvation is a Catholics only thing?

Jesus said, “I am the Way the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except by Me.” It sounds like Jesus was also pretty exclusionary.

Jesus also only established one Church, which was the Catholic Church. So, salvation is guaranteed through Christ’s Church, when we follow its teachings, which are Christ’s teachings.

We have no such guarantees for any other churches that came along later on, after Jesus had ascended into Heaven, that disagree with some portion (how ever small) of Christ’s teachings in His Church.

Because that is exclusionary indeed. I guess I’m not overly concerned that my husband is Catholic from a salvation stand point because I don’t see salvation as a Lutheran only thing.

And you are expecting something of equal value in exchange for this generosity. “I give you equality with me - you must, therefore, give me equality with you.”

Is that a fair summary?

 

[NonCatholic]

Few or Many?; remnant theology?
This is the real question; are you part of the FEW or the MANY?

Matthew 7:13-14 13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are** few** who find it.

Matthew 22:14 “For many are called, but few {are} chosen.”

Luke 13:23-24 And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there a **few **who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”

Matthew 7:21-23 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven {will enter.} 22 "Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.”

Matthew 22:14 “For many are called, but few {are} chosen.”

Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”

Testing the reply with Quote function

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

The Big difference I see between Catholic’s and Protestants are the sacraments/…

How do other’s feel? Protestant and Catholic?

Well, that’s not all that makes us different. They also do not acknowledge Seven Deadly Sins, and, as everyone knows, they do not necessarily acknowledge Mary either.

We’re strict; they’re literal.

What can you do?

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood

 

[NonCatholic]

We’ll you have the liberals that pick and choose which doctrines they like or don’t like in both Protestant and Catholic denominations. Then you have the legalistic, mystics and ritualistic, folks. So in some ways there are a lot of similarities.

This is why the Few are the FEW and the MANY are the MANY.

Matthew 7:13-14 13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 22:14 “For many are called, but few {are} chosen.”

Luke 13:23-24 And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”

Matthew 7:21-23 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven {will enter.} 22 "Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.”

Matthew 22:14 “For many are called, but few {are} chosen.”

Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”

 

[guanophore]

I don’t think that the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope and the Holy Spirit are the same…I think there are a lot of Catholics who equate them to be the same.

Of course not. I understood the post to say that this was not believed, and I affirm that this belief is Catholic. The Pope and the HS are not the same.

Salvation is a Jesus only thing! Jesus only founded One Church, and there is only One Body, One Faith.

So are you basically saying salvation is a Catholic Only thing. Or in your mind does that extend to other denominations as well. Because your above statement seems to just be and attempt to repackage what I was saying about Catholics believeing that Salvation is a Catholic only thing, in a manner that is less confrontational, but still means the same thing.

We believe what Scripture says is true, that there is only ONe faith, one Church, on Body of Christ. Therefore, all who are members of Christ are members of the One Body. Jesus only founded One Church. The Church is the normative means through which He intends to bring humanity to Himself. Whe it is said “there is no salvation outside the Church”, we mean that we see that Christ identifies Himself completely with the Church, His Holy Bride.Since there is no salvation outside of Christ, neither will any saved persons be outside the Church. He meant for that Church to be One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic, and visible on earth.

It is not “exclusive” but inclusive. Jesus brings all those who are His into His Body.
All other ecclesial communities define themselves by how much they depart from the Catholic faith - or usually, how much they depart from what they erroneously believe is the Catholic faith.

 

[Hisalone]

Of course not. I understood the post to say that this was not believed, and I affirm that this belief is Catholic. The Pope and the HS are not the same.

We believe what Scripture says is true, that there is only ONe faith, one Church, on Body of Christ. Therefore, all who are members of Christ are members of the One Body. Jesus only founded One Church. The Church is the normative means through which He intends to bring humanity to Himself. Whe it is said “there is no salvation outside the Church”, we mean that we see that Christ identifies Himself completely with the Church, His Holy Bride.Since there is no salvation outside of Christ, neither will any saved persons be outside the Church. He meant for that Church to be One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic, and visible on earth.

It is not “exclusive” but inclusive. Jesus brings all those who are His into His Body.
All other ecclesial communities define themselves by how much they depart from the Catholic faith - or usually, how much they depart from what they erroneously believe is the Catholic faith.

Another Gospel.

The one faith scriptures speaks of is the one faith in Jesus Christ.

No matter how you slice it or dice it Yours is a faith in a man made institution not a faith in Christ nor a faith in His body.

 

[LeroyCRHP]

An unbroken history of 2000 years directly to Jesus.

 

[Salonika]

guanophore:

All other ecclesial communities define themselves by how much they depart from the Catholic faith - or usually, how much they depart from what they erroneously believe is the Catholic faith.

Think it is now more likely now for some Catholics to do such defining of other Christian churches/religious groups by how they differ from the Catholic faith than for the groups to do so. Course, the new groups did so at the time of the Reformation as they needed to do so people would understand them and join up.

Also it is more likely that those Catholics who do the defining are those who believe that salvation does not exist or is almost impossible for anyone outside the Catholic faith.

Some new ones now may do such defining if they are formally breaking away from the Catholic Church, but not otherwise. Why bother comparing their beleifs with those of another group if they believe in what their group teaches.

 

[guanophore]

Another Gospel.

The one faith scriptures speaks of is the one faith in Jesus Christ.

No matter how you slice it or dice it Yours is a faith in a man made institution not a faith in Christ nor a faith in His body.

Can you please show this? I would prefer that you use Catholic documents to prove that our faith is not in Christ, but I will accept any reasonable arguement (other than your opinion, which appears to be what you have posted here.)

Can you show how the Nicean Creed, which we recite at every Mass, reflects “a different gospel”? What is contained in it that is contrary to the one fiath in Jesus?

I am also curious, Hisalone, if you believe this, why are you on CAF?

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CatsAndDogs View Post
Yup.
Protestants are “puritans”, and want their “spirituality” purified into only the absolutely minimal “essentials”, which amounts (ultimately) to “me and Jesus alone”.

The Sacramental People of God (Catholics and other “sacramentalists”) want as much of a banquet as possible that is true.

Since the protestants don’t know how to determine what is true, they are (in many ways) quite wise in being minimalistic, and sticking with the bare essentials.

(( Now, they never actually DO stick to the absolutely bare essentials, and impose various incorrect traditions, which make them rather “dangerous” to those who are attracted to them, of course. ))

But since we Catholics DO know how to determine what is true (via the Magisterium) we have the wonderful freedom to completely and fully enjoy the wonderous bounty of our sacraments and sacramentals, rituals, diversity and florid human-ness and humanity.

“Rock and Gospel Concerts” are nowhere NEAR a substitute for the real show, the Mass.

Again, please actually do some research before posting…Puritians are a demonimation, not a different word for protestants.

My contention is that all protestants are puritanical (not “buckle-hat wearers”), that they “strive for minimalistic (within the bounds of their particular tradition) purity of doctrine and practice”, because of the inherent unease in not having a single God-given authority to declare what is and isn’t “pure and necessary”.

Disagree with that contention as you wish.

Many protestants have rich and strong traditions based on the same fundamentals that the Catholic Church is based on.

NO OTHER “church” has the same fundamental basis as the Church (Catholic). In that you are quite simply in error.

We are not silly little kids running around listening to rock music and chanting “Jesus and Me”. Please don’t insult us and we won’t insult you.

Do you really think that you CAN insult us? I’m not insulting you by pointing out that your “substitutions” for the Mass, while quite entertaining and often very inspiring, pale into nothing compared to Who is truly present in the Mass.

The tone and charges you are making are just like the people who stand around and call Catholics idol worshipers. Seriously.

People who DON’T understand Catholics call them idol worshipers.

People who DO understand protestants call them “wisely narrow” (at best).

That’s the difference. The truth is often annoying.

:shamrock2:

 

[rinnie]

I do know how you feel. You used alot of words to merely say that Protestants are all the same in your eyes. That is exactly what I said in my previous post that you refuted.

See you still keep putting the protestant faith and the protestant followers in the same category. I said I do not agree with the Protestant faith because it protests the Catholic faith.

You keep saying protestants, Protestants are people. I told you I love them as much as I love my Catholic brothers and Sisters. I DISAGREE with any religion that opposes the Catholic Church.

Answer me this, How could I agree with any religion that opposes my beliefs? Could you possibly do that? I go with the bible, Does the bible not tell me to stay true and do not sway from my faith, stick with tradition? Do you or do you not agree with the SIMPLE fact that Peter did indeed start the RCC? Yes or no?

 

[SIA]

See you still keep putting the protestant faith and the protestant followers in the same category. I said I do not agree with the Protestant faith because it protests the Catholic faith.

You keep saying protestants, Protestants are people. I told you I love them as much as I love my Catholic brothers and Sisters. I DISAGREE with any religion that opposes the Catholic Church.

Answer me this, How could I agree with any religion that opposes my beliefs? Could you possibly do that? I go with the bible, Does the bible not tell me to stay true and do not sway from my faith, stick with tradition? Do you or do you not agree with the SIMPLE fact that Peter did indeed start the RCC? Yes or no?

Ok, the problem is that you still don’t understand. What is the Protestant faith? Truth is, there are several different Protestants faiths; which one are you referring to? Do you know anything about other faiths outside of your own? Respectfully speaking, it appears that you don’t.

 

[graceandglory]

The Big difference I see between Catholic’s and Protestants are the sacraments/

I’d say one major difference that I notice is that the protestants are focused on “getting smart” and the Catholics are focused on getting holy.

(My background is in large sola scriptural evangelical churches)

 

[rinnie]

In response to the above post

I agree with you…I think the entire thread has really been about the attempt to over simplfy protestants down to the lowest opinion possible to make it easier to attack us. Unfortunalty it isn’t working. Rinnie, several people have pointed out your errors both in your assumptions about protestants and in your knowledge of your own theology. Please don’t get offended, but use it as an opportunity to learn and study more.

No offense taken, And I will always study and learn more about my faith. I don’t think any of us can learn enough, or know enough about our Faith. If I come on as attacking please again except my apology, I never mean to do that. It just seems when I defend my faith I am accused as attacking yours. Like when I ask okay (trust me its in a warm gently voice) where does it say that in the bible, I am attacking. Or when I say we feel this way because it says in the bible;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;I am accused of attacking.

Now where exactly in my theology in my faith did I error? Could I have I made a mistake you bet ya:blush: I can study until I die and never learn enough. All I said is why I agree or disagree with what someone said. I have stated many of times I love Protestants as People, I just don’t agree with them. As I stated above how could I if I did agree with all of their belief they would be Catholic, or I would be Protestant. If you feel that is offensive please know I never meant it to be.

 

[guanophore]

Do you or do you not agree with the SIMPLE fact that Peter did indeed start the RCC? Yes or no?

No, not a bit. Jesus founded the Church, not Peter. Secondly, Jesus founded the Church in Jerusalem, and it spread East to Antioch and Syria and Asia before it ever came to Rome. The Church that Jesus founded is not “Roman” and neither was Peter.

 

[SIA]

No, not a bit. Jesus founded the Church, not Peter. Secondly, Jesus founded the Church in Jerusalem, and it spread East to Antioch and Syria and Asia before it ever came to Rome. The Church that Jesus founded is not “Roman” and neither was Peter.

Absolutley right my friend.

 

[rinnie]

Ok, the problem is that you still don’t understand. What is the Protestant faith? Truth is, there are several different Protestants faiths; which one are you referring to? Do you know anything about other faiths outside of your own? Respectfully speaking, it appears that you don’t.

Honestly No, I don’t. It was not until I came to this site, that I really saw such a big difference. I always felt as Long as you believe in God (Jesus) who cares.

Then as I got older and saw the big difference in our faiths, I learned wow! See I came from GOD can do anything. And GOD does do everything. You would have had to know my Dad, He loved God and the Blessed Mother in a way that words cannot explain.

Here is the best I can explain it. No matter how bad, how sad, how horrible life is. You get away from everyone alone for a hour, you can take a ride in the car, out in the woods, in your room, but alone where no one knows or can see you and pray the rosary. (today they take anxiety pills for that)

Results: Daddy fixed everything. That was God. Warm cozy blanket in the coldest of winter. Then you came back all anxiety was gone. Your problems heck no, but you knew some how some way they would be. He went to be with God this past March. I asked God for one thing, not his money, not his houses, cars, etc, His faith, To know when the bottom is falling I won’t. My husband told me he never knew a faith like that, But then he got cancer, and guess what HE FOUND A FAITH LIKE THAT! Daddy taught him go alone in your room, whatever, let no one see you, give it up to God, and wait! Because whatever God says is going to happen anyway.

Gave a whole new meaning to thy kingdom come thy WILL be done on EARTH as it is in HEAVEN.

And that all came from one place the RCC. Sorry. And it all adds up. Trust me I tried not one piece of scripture not one, disagrees with the Church. So please understand when I ask I am not being disrespectful I just am not seeing where other faiths can not see what I see so clear. Like Peter, the rock, apostles being men and being able to forgive sin, authority its just so plain to me is all. ITs like some very very smart people on this site, but can’t see 1+1=2. And all I do is try to show how easy it is to my eyes, and I just get in trouble. :tsktsk: Hey at least we agree one thing Im not a good teacher.