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estesbob said:
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e I want everyone to see how easy it is to commit an immoral act against another person without even realizing it.?
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This is what you should be contemplating, IMO.

Are you and those who agree not judging my actions in the same way?

Edit: we could go back and forth on this point for days. Yes, I am judging her actions… you are now judging mine.
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estesbob said:
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Yes-we are pointing out the similarites between your actions and hers.
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And now I’m pointing out that you’re doing the same thing. You and a few others have questioned my motives while assuming that I claimed to know hers despite the fact that I never made any such claim. I’ve judged her actions… you are now judging mine.

Furthermore, as I’ve stated repeatedly I’ve noticed this on several occasions. It’s a pattern of behavior. This is one thread, not a pattern.

Edit: And actually there’s no similarity between my actions and hers… unless of course you can show me how I’m treating anyone any differently for no justifiable reason.
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mdrummer5 said:
estesbob;7569344:
I’ve stated repeatedly I’ve noticed this on several occasions. It’s a pattern of behavior.
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I will go along with you…What is your plan going forward in dealing with a woman who is a bigot? Will you confront her? Will you continue to do business with her? Or, will you stop visiting her shop?

I am interested in how others deal with situations like this.
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patrick127 said:
I will go along with you…What is your plan going forward in dealing with a woman who is a bigot? Will you confront her? Will you continue to do business with her? Or, will you stop visiting her shop?

I am interested in how others deal with situations like this.
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Since this most recent occurence I’ve simply been avoiding visits the shop.

Sometimes it is unavoidable, for instance in the event of not getting a chance to take a lunch… if I want to eat I go down there and grab a snack. As I’ve said, lately I’ve been VERY slow at work so this isn’t a problem but in summer months skipping my lunch break is a regular occurence so I’ll likely just start making it a point to keep non-perishable foods in my desk at work.

Confronting her while not completely outside my nature is problematic because while in this building I represent the bank that I work for so spouting off about immorality isn’t really an option… I like my job 😃
 
mark_a said:
I must admit that I prejudge people based on dress, not race, all the time. If you don’t want to be judged to be a thug, why dress like one?

Which reminds me of a sign I saw at a convenience store’s front door:
“Shirt and shoes on, pants up, period!”
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Come to think of it, I would prejudge whites who dress like this even more harshly .
 
I for one am glad you recognize her prejudicial actions. I wish more white people would notice the subtle racist actions they portray unknowingly. For example when people feel that slight fear when alone in an elevator with a “questionably dressed” black person. They can’t wait for the doors to open. When the only open seat on the bus is by that black guy with his hat turned to the side, why do you feel a little afraid? If you question yourself, at least you recognize your world view may need an adjustment. If you feel comfort in your world view that a black person with his hat turned to the back is out of place in society, you may be racist or classist if nothing else prejudice (pre judging).

If you are willing to look at this and ask Why do I feel this way? Am a basing my assumptions on fact or a pre judgement? You are NOT a racist. If you decide to not explore those questions and treat someone based on those prejudgements, you probably are a racist or at least prejudice weather you know it or not.
 
rturner76 said:
I for one am glad you recognize her prejudicial actions. I wish more white people would notice the subtle racist actions they portray unknowingly. For example when people feel that slight fear when alone in an elevator with a “questionably dressed” black person. They can’t wait for the doors to open. When the only open seat on the bus is by that black guy with his hat turned to the side, why do you feel a little afraid? If you question yourself, at least you recognize your world view may need an adjustment. If you feel comfort in your world view that a black person with his hat turned to the back is out of place in society, you may be racist or classist if nothing else prejudice (pre judging).

If you are willing to look at this and ask Why do I feel this way? Am a basing my assumptions on fact or a pre judgement? You are NOT a racist. If you decide to not explore those questions and treat someone based on those prejudgements, you probably are a racist or at least prejudice weather you know it or not.
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Very well said and I’m glad you appreciate it, since very few seem to. I think I have a different perspective having spent a lot of time as a kid in the deep south in neighborhoods that were predominately black while also having lived in places where it was (at least when I was younger) still acceptable to call a black man by the N word. Now I live in white suburbia where white people seem to seriously not know any better. So despite the view of some here I don’t think I’m over sensitive… just simply more aware and I agree… I wish more would.
Come to think of it, I would prejudge whites who dress like this even more harshly.
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And this is just another example of it. Why would you prejudge a white person more harshly than a black person dressed like that?

I’m not going to say that this is why as I’m not sure of your intent but it could easily be perceived as “I expect better from a white person.” These are the kinds of things that most white people simply don’t think about.
 
I have many black friends. They are wonderful people. However if I see anyone “dressed like a gangster” be they black or white or whatever, I do get nervous. I just don’t want to get hurt.I am not rude to them or anything. I just avoid them and mind my own business. One time a boy dressed in this manner approached me and asked if their was a drug store near by. Honestly I was a little afraid, not because he was black but because of how he was dressed. Nonethless I pointed out the closest store to him polietly.

Does that make me a bad person? I hope not. Look, being a a teenage girl and very small in size, I just want to keep myself safe and avoid trouble. Better to be safe than sorry. Again I don’t avoid black people or white people, or brown people, etc. I have friends from many different cultures. However for personal safety, I avoid people who dress/act in a threatning way be they from any cultural backround.

As for your personal case, I cannot judge the woman or you with so little knowledge. However I think that if you are really bothered by this, next time this woman talks about other customers, let her know you don’t want to hear about it (polietly.)

Hope this helps. God Bless.
 
I think she’s right, next time she says something let her know you don’t judge people until you know them. You don’t want to get into judging the woman for judging the boy but you can tell her your philosophy about pre judgement especially being a lawyer. In your profession, racial bias could cost you your career. You are very smart to be very awar of even the possibility at any turn. You may be a witness or you never know, That kid might get a discrimination case if she cbviously offers you extra services and not him.
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I’ve babbled again, I’ll shoot up a prayer for you the boy and the woman.
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mdrummer5 said:
And this is just another example of it. Why would you prejudge a white person more harshly than a black person dressed like that?

I’m not going to say that this is why as I’m not sure of your intent but it could easily be perceived as “I expect better from a white person.” These are the kinds of things that most white people simply don’t think about.
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It’s not because I think a white kid should know better. It’s because it’s not usually a part of white culture so I’m thinking in my mind “ok, what is this kid trying to prove?” I would have a feeling that they may go out of their way to show how “real” they keep it. I knew kids like that who would do the most crazy things because they always felt like they had something to prove. That’s all, not cause they should know better.
 
rturner76 said:
It’s not because I think a white kid should know better. It’s because it’s not usually a part of white culture so I’m thinking in my mind “ok, what is this kid trying to prove?” I would have a feeling that they may go out of their way to show how “real” they keep it. I knew kids like that who would do the most crazy things because they always felt like they had something to prove. That’s all, not cause they should know better.
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Couldn’t have said it better, although I would like to add that any boy who dresses as earlier described, black or white or purple, well, I just don’t think of them as son-in-law material.
 
rturner76 said:
It’s not because I think a white kid should know better. It’s because it’s not usually a part of white culture so I’m thinking in my mind “ok, what is this kid trying to prove?” I would have a feeling that they may go out of their way to show how “real” they keep it. I knew kids like that who would do the most crazy things because they always felt like they had something to prove. That’s all, not cause they should know better.
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A fair point. But how someone dresses, talks and acts has more to do with their environment than the color of their skin. So if a white kid grows up in the midst of mostly “black culture” he likely isn’t trying to prove anything but is simply following what he knows to be “the norm”.

However, a white kid dressing like that where I live… yes that’s probably exactly what they’re doing.
 
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