Bill Murray ‘misses’ the Latin Mass

[KCT]

I knew that Bill Murray was raised Catholic but that like most Hollywood actors was someone that didn’t carry it over into his films.

I must say that I am pleasantly surprised to hear him say this.

thesacredpage.com/2007/01/theology-of-groundhog-day.html

The theology of Groundhog Day!

 

[SunnyslopeIII]

Extraordinary.

I have never heard the Ordinary Form in Latin and would like to though.

I’ve heard it all in Latin (well…except the readings and homily) and with just the Common Prayers (Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, Pater Noster, Agnus Dei). My personal preference would be the former, along with the priest facing ad orientum during most of the Mass. That, I have not seen.

 

[OraLabora]

I’ve heard it all in Latin (well…except the readings and homily) and with just the Common Prayers (Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, Pater Noster, Agnus Dei). My personal preference would be the former, along with the priest facing ad orientum during most of the Mass. That, I have not seen.

I’m one up on you. On three occasions I attended Mass at the abbey of Monte Cassino in Italy. All in Latin (vernacular readings in several languages as it was an international event), celebrated ad orientem. Although for the monks it was versus populum as the altar is between the nave and the choirs stalls. I also spent a week at Sant’Anselmo monastery in Rome two weeks ago, and celebration was in the same format; though as oblate I was invited to sit in the choir stalls with the monks, so for me it was versus populum, but for the people in the nave, it was ad orientem. However the liturgy was in Italian except for the Ordinary of the Mass.

Altough I can’t really say I care about the orientation. Benedictines tend to celebrate facing the monastic community as there’s an important community element involved (and this, pre Vatican II as well). Moreover Sant’Anselmo was where versus populum celebration was first done experimentally (for the general public) in the 1940s when liturgical reforms were seriously starting to be undertaken under mgr. Annibale Bugnini. This was done with the Vatican’s approval as an experiment.

What really matters to me is that the liturgy be done reverently, and correctly, regardless of language, orientation, or form of the Mass.

 

[fastenatingguy]

Bill was graduated seven years ahead of me at Loyola Academy in Wilmette, IL. He lived in Wilmette as a kid and caddied at Indian Hill Golf Club. Went to mass at St. Joe’s although I don’t recall if he attended grade school there.

His sister–Sister Nancy-- is about five years older than Bill. She was already a Dominican nun when Bill was in Second City. She was my sophomore Theology teacher. We loved her because she brought girls over from the local Catholic school where she taught. This helped civilize us because we were an all boys school back in the day.

And yes he was funny even then. He even put on a special show at Loyola each year and brought friends along like Harold Ramis and Tim Kazurinsky. Those shows were free–and priceless. Even then (just before SNL and in its early years) he was pushing the limits that made some of our priests EXTREMELY unhappy. But we students roared.

We have a common priest friend (a Jesuit) who said the only time he ever laughed during mass was during a retreat when Bill was one of the altar boys. To this day he won’t tell me the details–only that he couldn’t control himself.

 

[LakeGeorge]

Greetings All,
I have been involved with Gurdjieff teaching for a few decades already, and I can confirm that it is ‘common knowledge’ among those in the Gurdjieff Foundation (the claimed-to-be heir of the Gurdjieff teaching) that the them or Bill Murray’s film “Groundhog Day” was inspired by the book by Peter Ouspensky (student of Gurdjieff) “The Strangle Life of Ivan Osokin.”

From Wikipedia:“Harold Ramis, who directed Groundhog Day, found the meaning of Strange Life of Ivan Osokin similar to the existential dilemma of Groundhog Day. Both works imply that a sober acceptance of personal accountability is necessary in order to effect an increase in the degree of freedom of the individual. Ramis’ opinion is printed in the Lindisfarne Books’ 2004 edition of Strange Life of Ivan Osokin.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Life_of_Ivan_Osokin

Just for the record: another somewhat noteworthy Gurdjieffian is John Cleese (of Monty Python).
youtube.com/watch?v=O2QJvc_SxFQ

 

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