Bipartisan Health Care Effort

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One of the largest players in Canada and indeed the world, Sun Life, demutualized in 1998 and is now a publicly traded company.

Several of my employers used Sun Life for employee insurance plans.
Has Sun Life been denying insurance claims in an effort to increase profits? Otherwise, I’m not sure what the relevance is. I didn’t deny that there are private, for-profit health insurance companies, only that the non-profit and mutual companies reduce the incentive for private companies to try to cheat their customers.
 
Has Sun Life been denying insurance claims in an effort to increase profits? Otherwise, I’m not sure what the relevance is. I didn’t deny that there are private, for-profit health insurance companies, only that the non-profit and mutual companies reduce the incentive for private companies to try to cheat their customers.
I never insinuated that they “cheated” customers. If an insurance company can find a legal way to avoid a payment, it will. In order to do so they impose a big paperwork load on doctors who really have better things to do.

Different kind of insurance but my wife totalled one of our cars once. I refused the initial payout, and literally 15 minutes later, they came back with an offer $3k higher.

You seem to think I’m spouting nonsense. My wife has been a family doctor for 35 years. I think she has a wee bit of experience here. I’ve also had to frequently help her with some of the paperwork as most of it is in French, not her mother tongue. So I see what goes on. She can spend literally hours going through someone’s medical record to answer all the questions.
 
Most of what the federal government weighs in on should begin in the states according to our constitution. But that quaint idea has long since be over-ruled by those who think they know better than the rest of us how to make things work. And most of the time they exempt themselves from the programs they foist on us.
Yep.Gotta love the way Trump called them out n their hypocrisy re healthcare.They should be compelled to sign onto whatever the force on us.Will be interesting to see how his challenge is received.😉
 
Yep.Gotta love the way Trump called them out n their hypocrisy re healthcare.They should be compelled to sign onto whatever the force on us.Will be interesting to see how his challenge is received.😉
I guess it depends on which aisle of the Congress you are on. Lived where you are for mote than ten years. Great place.
 
I guess it depends on which aisle of the Congress you are on. Lived where you are for mote than ten years. Great place.
The summit of Mt. Evans is heaven. But you do have a point about which aisle you’re on. Maybe this time they can come together on at least a fix.
 
Yet the non ACA is being overseen by a bunch of IRS bureaucrats,all of whom I bet no nothing about healthcare yet they will decide the fate of millions.Yeah,why not?:rolleyes:
  1. Because some Catholics have to have just this one little vice they agree with the Democrats on in order to save some face in polite society and popular culture. Like how Jesus skirted the rules to appease Herod, the Romans and chief priests…
And haven’t you heard? It’s in the Constitution to stop hurt feelings.
  1. They also have to save face internationally. See, it’s really embarrassing for the left to see these half-baked metrics that measure health care and when they come out, someone in the UK or Denmark might laugh.
So you see, it’s not really about quality care or anything…it’s about making liberals and their excuse-makers in the Catholic Church have good feely-feels running through their nervous system.

Doesn’t that just make you want to give your freedom of health care choice for such a worthy cause?
 
Yep.Gotta love the way Trump called them out n their hypocrisy re healthcare.They should be compelled to sign onto whatever the force on us.Will be interesting to see how his challenge is received.😉
At this point, the Republicans would be better off repealing ObamaCare even if it’s replaced with nothing. They would at least have their base and it doesn’t matter what they do—the media will still attack them and the Democrats will still run against them.
 
One of the largest players in Canada and indeed the world, Sun Life, demutualized in 1998 and is now a publicly traded company.

Several of my employers used Sun Life for employee insurance plans.
And if it’s so great up there, why do they come to America for treatment?
 
At this point, the Republicans would be better off repealing ObamaCare even if it’s replaced with nothing. They would at least have their base and it doesn’t matter what they do—the media will still attack them and the Democrats will still run against them.
They would not have all of their base if they did that. There are many working poor who voted for Republicans, but who also depend on the Medicaid expansion part of Obamacare, or who voted for Trump believing his promise that his plan would give them better coverage at lower cost.
 
If Canadian medical was so good, then the traffic flow would be TOWARD Canada.

As it is, there is enough traffic to justify construction and staffing a chain of first rate hospitals along the border.
 
If Canadian medical was so good, then the traffic flow would be TOWARD Canada.

As it is, there is enough traffic to justify construction and staffing a chain of first rate hospitals along the border.
How many hospitals are there on the border that serve mostly Canadians?
 
Quite a few:

usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

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The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

In citing those numbers in its 2015 report, “Leaving Canada for Medical Care,” the organization said difficulties in obtaining timely medical care at home is, increasingly, leading Canadians to seek it abroad. “It is possible [they] may have left the country to avoid some of the adverse medical consequences of waiting for care, such as worsening of their condition, poorer outcomes following treatment, disability, or death,” the report says. “Some may leave simply to avoid delay and to make a quicker return to normal life.”

Canadians could expect to wait 9.8 weeks for medically necessary treatment after seeing a specialist in 2014, the researchers found, three weeks more than the time physicians considered to be clinically “reasonable.”

The public health care system sends some Canadians abroad for treatment partly because of a lack of available local resources, the report says.

Ontario, the country’s most populous province, provides a good example. The three hospitals that use stem-cell therapy to treat patients with blood disorders and aggressive cancers like the one that Sharon Shamblaw battled are unable to keep up with the soaring demand. So patients are sent to medical facilities in Buffalo, Cleveland, Ohio, and Detroit, Michigan, for the potentially life-saving treatment.

“We don’t yet have the capacity to serve all the patients who require allogeneic stem-cell transplants,” says Dr. Michael Sherar, president and CEO of Cancer Care Ontario, referring to the treatment that uses donor stem cells. He describes the arrangement with the U.S. facilities as “an interim solution” and says it will likely end within two years, when Canadian centers have the necessary personnel, infrastructure and funding in place. “Working out all these things takes time,” he says. “Capacity cannot be increased overnight.”**
 
If Canadian medical was so good, then the traffic flow would be TOWARD Canada.

As it is, there is enough traffic to justify construction and staffing a chain of first rate hospitals along the border.
The was a lot of traffic going towards Canada to buy prescription drugs, so they did that a lot better than the US. They did so good that the US had to shut it down. So much for consumer sovereignty.
 
Owing to the discussions on needing a repeal and replace law, now the internal fails of Obamacare become more obvious:

lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=919073
If Obamacare “implodes” it will be because the administration has created a climate of chaos and uncertainty by threatening to withhold insurance payments and failing to enforce the individual mandate. Both of these things cause the insurance companies to either raise their rates or drop out of the exchanges. It is essentially the same thing as an outright repeal of Obamacare - in which case the Republicans will own the consequences.
 
If Canadian medical was so good, then the traffic flow would be TOWARD Canada.

As it is, there is enough traffic to justify construction and staffing a chain of first rate hospitals along the border.
Plenty of Vermont ambulances turn up at our local hospital (20 km from the border), and I see lots of NY and Vermont ambulances turn up at Montreal teaching hospitals, which are world class and pioneering facilities, for instance the Montreal Neurological Institute, associated with the McGill University (my alma mater) faculty of medicine.

Those 52k Canadians seeking care in the US are a whopping 0.15% of the population. Meanwhile, 1.4k Americans sought care outside their country, or 0.4% (source: Business Insider).

As I mentioned earlier, in 35 years of medical practice, my wife has had very few, if any, patients leave Canada for treatment.

Don’t believe all your republican myths…
 
It look like congress is willing to work together to improve ACA.
Sens. Lamar Alexander and Patty Murray are planning bipartisan legislation to shore up Obamacare markets by September.
 
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