Bipartisan Health Care Effort

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Because the Dems per form want everything their way.They won’t concede on any part of thecACA.Having said that,this is to be expected from them.I am thoroughly disgusted with the Republicans for squandering their ability through majority of getting something pushed through. This has always been the case and frankly I am weary and over them.Pftttt! :mad:
The Democrats COULD allow U.S. citizens to take advantage of the same medical insurance as Congress!

OR, the Democrats COULD allow U.S. citizens to purchase medical insurance on their own, with ObamaCare as a fall-back.

But no. And no.
 
The Democrats COULD allow U.S. citizens to take advantage of the same medical insurance as Congress!

OR, the Democrats COULD allow U.S. citizens to purchase medical insurance on their own, with ObamaCare as a fall-back.

But no. And no.
Absolutely agree on all points!Just exposes the elitist attitude on both sides of the aisle. Who knows,maybe they will let is eat cake!:rolleyes:
 
The Democrats COULD allow U.S. citizens to take advantage of the same medical insurance as Congress!

OR, the Democrats COULD allow U.S. citizens to purchase medical insurance on their own, with ObamaCare as a fall-back.

But no. And no.
Or the Republicans could allow people to get their prescription drugs from Canada…you know…across state lines?
 
Healthcare is complicated as even the “almighty” Donald Trump eventually admitted. But one of the reasons I supported Bernie Sanders was because of his call for universal healthcare or as he has referred to it, “Medicare for all”. And short of that, all I know is I’d like, at the very least, a government option that people at least could try out and test drive. And see how it works for them.
“Medicare for all” is impossible, because Medicare is a discounted rate. You can’t discount everybody’s rate and it still be a discount. So it would have to increase in cost to all as well; probably by about 1/3.
 
Or the Republicans could allow people to get their prescription drugs from Canada…you know…across state lines?
You can get them now. The next question is whether you would want to.

I sometimes looked into Canadian drugs for a self-insurer. They might be just fine, but they’re not the “state of the art” U.S. physicians are mightily encouraged to prescribe. (A story in itself)

Oftentimes they’re a slightly different formula, even under the same name. Sometimes they are only part of the “usual and latest” formula. Sometimes there’s no time release like the American version. Sometimes there’s no additional ingredient to prevent gastric distress. Sometimes two drugs are required for the same effect as a combination here. But almost always, they’re made in the third world; countries like Bangladesh and Vietnam. Might be just fine, but they’re sure not FDA-approved.

So. Kind of hard to know.
 
How about a public option?
“Medicaid on demand”?

Well, they sort of have that in France, where 2/3 of the population is in the “public sector” and 1/3 is in the “private sector”. The public sector has co-pays, usually 20%. You pay up front and then ask the government for reimbursement. Illegal immigrants are not subsidized in any way. Not surprisingly, the better quality is in the private sector. And then, taxes are a lot higher in FRance, from top to bottom. In addition to higher income taxes, they also pay value-added tax on almost everything. As a result of lower incomes and high value-added taxes (and protective tariffs) food in Europe relative to income is about double what it is here.

Gotta pay for what you get, in one way or another.
 
Bipartisan House group meets quietly on Obamacare
A bipartisan group of roughly 40 House members has been meeting quietly over the past month to explore ways to stabilize Obamacare — efforts that are expected to take on greater urgency after the shocking collapse of the Senate’s Obamacare bill early Friday morning.
“This is our window to be relevant on a very real issue that impacts our constituents,” said one Republican lawmaker in the group who requested anonymity. The negotiations among the so-called Problem Solvers caucus will resume this morning, the lawmaker said.
Obamacare’s shaky insurance markets are facing perilous limbo with no clear path forward on health care in Washington. The Senate repeal effort blew up last night after Arizona Sen. John McCain joined two other GOP senators in opposing a slimmed down bill eliminating parts of Obamacare.
President Donald Trump has threatened to cut off crucial Obamacare cost-sharing subsidies, estimated at $7 billion this year, as soon as next month. That could lead to an exodus of insurers, who rely on those payments to reduce out-of-pocket costs for their poorest customers under Obamacare.
But some Republican lawmakers now controlling Washington fear they would take the blame for Obamacare’s problems, as polls have indicated. And Democrats are eager to stabilize President Barack Obama’s signature health care law.
The Problem Solvers caucus, led by Tom Reed (R-N.Y.) and Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), is about evenly split between Republican and Democratic lawmakers. It usually meets weekly as a full group, but a health care working group has been meeting over the past month on health care, the lawmaker said, declining to elaborate on the discussions.
 
I sometimes looked into Canadian drugs for a self-insurer. They might be just fine, but they’re not the “state of the art” U.S. physicians are mightily encouraged to prescribe. (A story in itself).
Lots of Americans don’t have access to “state of the art” drugs either since their insurance companies want them to take cheaper generic alternatives even though these are often not as good as the brand name versions.
 
“Medicare for all” is impossible, because Medicare is a discounted rate. You can’t discount everybody’s rate and it still be a discount. So it would have to increase in cost to all as well; probably by about 1/3.
Then the question becomes what is the base on which the discounts are made.

Any hospital can charge $100,000 for say, a bypass. But if you can get a bypass for $5,000 in Thailand, maybe they can figure out how to drop the price here without the “discounts.” If they do that, they might be able to eliminate Medicare altogether here.
 
Except that it’s working in every other industrialized country in the world, for less money, and with better outcome.
I agree. And it can’t be said yet that it’s unattainable when in 241 yrs we haven’t tried.
 
Except that it’s working in every other industrialized country in the world, for less money, and with better outcome.
I think both ends of that equation must be questioned. The “better outcomes” depends on what metrics one uses. If it’s “life expectancy”, that’s one thing. if it’s “infant mortality” it’s another. If it’s expected life span, it’s another. And each of those metrics is subject to argument; sometimes very good argument.

it is extremely difficult to measure “less money” as well. First of all “less money” for what care? The U.S., for example, has the highest number of MRI units per capita of any country other than Japan, and it’s much higher than even most developed countries. So, if I get care for my shoulder injury in, say, Italy, but no MRI, then the physician would not know, for example, whether I have a simple bursitis, a partial-thickness tear or a full-thickness rotator cuff tear that requires immediate surgery for proper treatment.

One of the reasons why medical care is more expensive in the U.S. is that in many other countries costs are 'invisible". For example, in Austria, medical school is free if you’re an Austrian. The government pays for it. In the U.S., it isn’t free and if the doctor has school loans, it’s going to be paid by the patients and their insurers. But either way, the public pays. But when “costs of care” are compared, the cost of maintaining medical schools is not included.

In France, the government pays for malpractice insurance for doctors in the “public” sector, and there are special courts for those cases. Plaintiffs’ attorneys are paid by the hour, not as a percentage like here. Those costs are not included when people compare the “costs of care”.

And, as I mentioned before, in France the physicians have no duty to bill the government or mess with it in getting paid. They’re on government salary. Patients pay their own way and do all the billing work. They either do it right and get reimbursed, or they don’t. A lot of medical provider staff here does that work for the patients. But they add that to costs.

So, superficial comparison of “costs” and even “outcomes” doesn’t tell a person anything.
It’s very difficult to make real “apples to apples” comparisons, when one of the apples is actually a nectarine painted to look a lot like an apple.

Of course, if one looks at the cost of insurance, it’s another picture. One problem with it in this country is that people expect insurance to pay for everything, or at least most of it, whereas the most desperate need is for catastrophic care. If we did not insist on insurance paying for nearly everything, it would not be anywhere near as expensive. Of course, Obamacare changes that for the non-subsidized exchange victims by making their deductibles sky-high. Of course, that applies to catastrophic care too, which is really a bad approach.
 
I have to say I did see some irony, karma, or as the saying goes, what goes around comes around, that the decisive vote came down to the man whom Trump once declared not to be a war hero.
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Insults have consequences too.
 
“Medicare for all” is impossible, because Medicare is a discounted rate. You can’t discount everybody’s rate and it still be a discount. So it would have to increase in cost to all as well; probably by about 1/3.
I believe Medicare negotiates rates with every private insurer. The government has no say, a situation I find astounding from a cost standpoint.

The government of every other advanced country regulates the prices of all medical goods and services. It’s why their costs are half to a third cheaper per capita than ours.
 
“Medicaid on demand”?

Well, they sort of have that in France, where 2/3 of the population is in the “public sector” and 1/3 is in the “private sector”. The public sector has co-pays, usually 20%. You pay up front and then ask the government for reimbursement. Illegal immigrants are not subsidized in any way. Not surprisingly, the better quality is in the private sector. And then, taxes are a lot higher in FRance, from top to bottom. In addition to higher income taxes, they also pay value-added tax on almost everything. As a result of lower incomes and high value-added taxes (and protective tariffs) food in Europe relative to income is about double what it is here.

Gotta pay for what you get, in one way or another.
Such a two-tiered system would be acceptable as far as I am concerned. Those who could afford it or desire to access it would opt for the “private” area.

Seems to me the French are quite satisfied with the quality of care in the “public” sector.
 
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