Birth Control

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I’m a little scared to post this because I’ve seen a couple of rude comments in a few other threads… so try to handle with care or at the very least don’t be rude… 😃
I haven’t read the responses yet, but I do hope you have gotten some polite responses.
I am 100 percent again abortion because it is the ending of a life that has begun. However, I do not see what is wrong about birth control - it is preventing the beginning of a life, not ending a life.
True. I would say that the abortion issue and true contraceptives are immoral for different reasons. Its much easier to argue against abortion because people automatically innately know that murder is wrong. However the contraceptive issue is a much larger issue to argue and explain and in the end not everyone is convinced that the Church’s views on sexuality are correct. I think I am one of the rare people who never argued with it and who only came later to an understanding of how much faith it does take to live without contraceptives.
My husband and I are not ready to have children right now for a variety of personal reasons that I am not going to get into. Are we really supposed to remain celibate for years because of this? I find that completely absurd.
No. The Church teaches that if a couple has grave/serious reason to space or limit children, they can perioidically abstain during the woman’s peak fertility to reduce the chances of becoming pregnant. A woman can observe her fertility symptoms, chart them and know when her body is preparing to ovulate and about when she does ovulate.

That said, it is the abstainence that is moral. It is considered always immoral to engage in sex with an entirely closed heart to accepting the gift of a child, and our consent to accepting the gift of children is a part of our marriage vows. That doesn’t make it easy, but if pregnancy does occur outside of our time table, we are called to trust in God’s providence.

Ultimately we are called to respect the nature God gave us and to respect that fertility is an innate and beautiful part of our sexuality. We are not to live in fear or have an obsession with controling our lives. Just as we cannot perfectly time out exactly when we will meet that person we will end up marrying, we cannot control when we will meet that special someone. All we can control is whether or not we put ourselves into situations that will allow us to meet someone. Sex is always an invite to accepting a child. If we engage in the act completely closed to the possibility of pregnancy, it is as if we were continually leading people on about our interest in them, breaking their hearts and lying to them.

Overall we need to be honest with our actions. As such, we can exclusively have sex when we are in our non-fertile periods, just as we can legimately go out to places that people sometimes meet romantic partners at during the time of day where say that place of business is less busy or not filled with a lot of single and available people. But to sabotosh that business or to lead strangers on and to have the door closed to developing a real relationship is immoral. As such, we should not artificially sterilize ourselves or block the possibility of pregnancy for the sake of engaging in sexual pleasure during our fertile time without getting the elements we don’t want.
And what of the couples that already have several children? Do they simply stop having sex after having a couple of kids?
No. Most Catholic families I know who practice NFP find that they underestimate what they can handle and that God opens their hearts to accepting a larger family. Fears our abandoned and our trust in God’s Divine providence grows. They realize how valuable sex is and they come to a greater appreciation of the gift of their fertility. I won’t say it isn’t trying though. There’s a lot of trying to promote NFP based on the success rates, but most of my NFP using friends feel that the Church promotes NFP far too much as if it were Catholic contraceptive. As a friend of mine said, its more important to put your faith in God than your faith in a method. Practice the method, but don’t obsess over having control. Ultimately God is in control of your life.
Please be honest… because you don’t find a lot of Catholic families with 6 or more kids anymore… so I’m SURE I’m not the only person who feels this way.
No, it is true. Most Catholics in our country ignore the Church’s teachings against contraceptives. Typically those families who do have larger families tend to flock to parishes where there are other large families.
 
I had to confess permanent sterilization. This was a big problem with my husband and me. He did not even want me to go to confession because he was concerned the priest would say we could not have sex or I needed to get it reversed. Then he wanted to go to confession with me to explain that the doctor said that I should not have any children because of health risk. 4 c-sections. All tough pregnancies and deliveries. Last one was a very tough recovery.

I went to confession and still did not feel right. The priest said that it was decision between my doctor and my husband whether or not I get it reversed. My husband and I have argued about it. He is 50 years old and does not want more children. I would be okay with more children. I would love to get my tubal ligation reversed but it doesn’t look like it will happen 😦
I’m sorry, this sounds like it is a very painful situation for you, that you are grieving over. I will pray for you, that even if you can’t get it reversed that you can feel at peace with what is done.
 
If a devout Catholic uses ABC, why does a Catholic-In-Name-Only (Me) have to use NFP? It sucks. I don’t trust NFP at all. And our teachers have two kids in three years! Failure rate much? It is like taking dieting tips from a fat person.
I haven’t met her, so I may be out of line, but I wouldn’t call her a devout Catholic in that case…I don’t mean to offend you or your friend, but this proves that what we do as Catholics affects how others see us and our religion. It may bring them to Catholicism or drive them away.
Try to find better role models. 😉

In any case, don’t you wish to be a devout Catholic yourself? I’m sure you do, so follow Church teachings regardless of what your friend does. Hey, maybe you can set a good example for her! You never know. 🙂

As well, I’m glad you are informing yourself! :clapping:

Good luck and God bless.
 
I know that. Believe me, I get closer to leave the Church for good everyday. If it wasn’t for my fiance, I would have left months ago.

I’m taking the NFP class, because he wants to use NFP, and I told him that he is the head of our future household. I can moan and whine, but it is his decision. And I stand by my man (and he does know that I’m having doubts about my faith). 🙂 But the temptation for the easy way out is there. It’s my love for my fiance that I haven’t already got a birth control pill prescription filled.
Trusting God that much is a very difficult thing, but sometimes its that emotional struggle gone through with the persistance of loyality to the teachings actually makes your faith and trust in God stronger.

But it is true that NFP is for spacing and will become problematic in a marriage if the couple does not abandon the contraceptive mentality. For me, my main concern after I give birth is giving myself a bit of a break. I know its still ultimately in God’s hands, but I’d really prefer allowing my first to at least be two or very close to two before we have a second. I know a couple of people who either didn’t even get to see the return of their period before they got pregnant again or they only had one period inbetween deliverying their first and getting pregnant with their second.

But meanwhile I watch my sister and my brother in law and smile at how God is working in their lives. They entered marriage feeling that they weren’t ready to get pregnant yet and have been using NFP strictly for over 6 months. My sister made a comment to me recently about how aware she became of feeling rejected through the rejection of her fertility and the two of them prayed about their reasons for avoiding pregnancy and felt they weren’t such good reasons after all. So change of plans and as of Christmas they’re not actively trying to get pregnant. I truly think NFP forces a couple to re-evaulate whether being closed to pregnancy is worth the abstainence or not. Sometimes it is. Sometimes its not.
 
I haven’t met her, so I may be out of line, but I wouldn’t call her a devout Catholic in that case…I don’t mean to offend you or your friend, but this proves that what we do as Catholics affects how others see us and our religion. It may bring them to Catholicism or drive them away.
Try to find better role models. 😉

In any case, don’t you wish to be a devout Catholic yourself? I’m sure you do, so follow Church teachings regardless of what your friend does. Hey, maybe you can set a good example for her! You never know. 🙂

As well, I’m glad you are informing yourself! :clapping:

Good luck and God bless.
Me a devout Catholic?!! HA HA HA HA HA HA! Fat chance! It would be easier to get peace in the Middle East, or find a cheesecake that isn’t fattening!
 
It really is hard for people not raised in the catholic church to wrap their minds around it being a sin for a Christian married couple to use non-abortive BC while having grave reasons to avoid becoming pregnant. I sort of had a lightbulb moment though when I looked at everything my church (TEC; we are leaving it for RC most likely) is putting an “OK” stamp on lately, such as abortion and gay marriage, and I thought why wouldn’t ABC be in that same group, since they are all moral issues? It’s really not that big of a leap. So, I’m in the process now of figuring nfp out and trying to get my Dh all the way on board. Right now he’s ok with it but he doesn’t really get it and I know if we get pregnant at this point he won’t be wanting to try it again, we would have 5 kids, so I’m really stressed out and I’m alternating between feeling hopeful and hopeless about it all. We could be open to another baby in the future but right now at least is not good timing… I’ve ordered a few books that I hope will help my Dh and I understand the catholic POV better and I’m looking forward to receiving them. I have my fingers crossed and am praying it’s a good thing for us. 🙂
 
I personally am opposed to hormonal methods, because I’ve experienced using them and hated them. I never want to get back onto those things again, not even for medical issues (why I took them in the first place).

I will be honest though-- because of my medical issues, I have no idea how NFP will fit in, yet I am willing to try and learn. My husband is opposed however, even though he is a cradle Catholic:shrug: There is not much I can do about that.

We hear that NFP is supposed to be used to space out children, and not to prevent pregnancy. Can we reasonably say that you should be having as much children as possible with using NFP (since that would be the quiverfull movement’s mission, that the CC has not endorsed), or does NFP allow each couple to make their own decisions within Catholic teachings, and that’s okay?
 
Why is NFP considered okay? Bottom line is you’re still controlling the situation in order to avoid conceiving. Why is that any better than any other method of birth control?

If the only reason to have sex is to conceive children, then married couples in which the wife is already pregnant shouldn’t have sex, either. By that logic, infertile couples also shouldn’t have sex.
 
Even if you consider it “spacing out pregnancies” - you are still trying to control the situation rather than trusting God and being natural - according to this logic as well. It just seems to me that making arbitrary rules that aren’t biblically based is harmful. Couples should be able to choose what they do inside of their bedrooms and decide how to plan their families without the church’s involvement.
 
NFP is different than ABC because it follows the natural design of the body. Female human reproductive systems were not designed to take massive doses of hormones to '“trick” the uterus into behaving as if it were already pregnant in order to avoid pregnancy. Women’s ovaries are naturally designed to release an egg once a month (about) and the uterus was designed to go through its stages of endometrium build-up that coincide with the release of an egg. Taking hormonal contraceptives stops the reproductive system from doing what it is naturally designed to do.

We also believe that sex has a two-fold purpose-- for intimacy between a husband and wife, and also for procreative purposes. If someone’s body has medical issues and therefore infertility, that does not negate the procreative purpose because their body is not using ABC, and instead has a medical issue. If a wife is pregnant, having sex during that time does not negate the procreative aspect because ABC is not being used.

The Catholic Church does not teach that sex is ONLY for procreation, or that marriage is only for procreation. I know people say in the past it did, I’m not sure where their evidence is because if you read Song of Songs, there is no evidence of procreation:o it’s actually intimacy.

ETA: Yes, spacing out pregnancies does entail control, however that is the control we are imposing that can easily be changed by God. The Church does teach for grave reasons, a couple can use NFP to avoid pregnancy. These could be financial issues, marital issues, medical issues, etc. I don’t think that these are necessarily arbitrary rules. After all, if your spouse was having medical issues, having sex wouldn’t be on the mind, and if you had marital issues, such as dealing with infidelity or were on the brink of a divorce, sex shouldn’t be an option.
 
Even if you consider it “spacing out pregnancies” - you are still trying to control the situation rather than trusting God and being natural - according to this logic as well. It just seems to me that making arbitrary rules that aren’t biblically based is harmful. Couples should be able to choose what they do inside of their bedrooms and decide how to plan their families without the church’s involvement.
Please read a book on the subject. I also recommend Sex au Naturel
 
Are you married? Being sexually active outside of marriage is definitely a sin and you can not take communion as you would not be in a state of Grace.

As for using ABC for a medical condition other than trying to prevent a pregnancy I believe that may be permissible. I may be wrong so please check with your priest and don’t just take my word on it, but if I understand correctly if there are absolutely no other alternatives to treat your condition then it is allowable.

Of course your true intent will be known by and judged by God.
I have IBS, and while the medication I’m on does work (I only take it when I have symptoms) I had numerous problems with it, especially during my menstrual cycle. I switched from an oral contraceptive to an invasive one, and instantly my symptoms have almost vanished, I rarely get a flare up. I’ve gone from having 15 days off sick within 6 months, to only about 3, which aren’t related to IBS. I used to have bad chronic pain which used to make me cry, but now thats also once a month when it used to be almost every day.

I’m not married, so I know that having sex outside of marriage is considered wrong, but I really don’t see how it can do harm. I’ve had it explained to me hundreds of times but yeah, I did have a thread on it and I’m still struggling to understand the reasons behind it. I don’t want to derail this thread, but mine is called “Struggling with chastity as a potential convert”.
 
Why is NFP considered okay? Bottom line is you’re still controlling the situation in order to avoid conceiving. Why is that any better than any other method of birth control?

If the only reason to have sex is to conceive children, then married couples in which the wife is already pregnant shouldn’t have sex, either. By that logic, infertile couples also shouldn’t have sex.
Ok, I’m going to try a socratic approach to see if you can be guided to the answer.

Assuming and trusting the NFP is just as effective as contraceptives, what is the distinct difference between NFP and contraceptives? Why would a couple still tend to prefer contraceptives over NFP?
 
Even if you consider it “spacing out pregnancies” - you are still trying to control the situation rather than trusting God and being natural - according to this logic as well. It just seems to me that making arbitrary rules that aren’t biblically based is harmful. Couples should be able to choose what they do inside of their bedrooms and decide how to plan their families without the church’s involvement.
*Controlling *or *planning *when to have children is not against the teachings of the faith - in fact, it can be a way to implement responsibility within parenthood!
It just needs to be done within the guidelines of morality.

Here are the sections from the Catechism:
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A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood. Moreover, they should conform their behavior to the objective criteria of morality:
Code:
    When it is a question of harmonizing married love with the responsible transmission of life, the morality of the behavior does not depend on sincere intention and evaluation of motives alone; but it must be determined by objective criteria, criteria drawn from the nature of the person and his acts, criteria that respect the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love; this is possible only if the virtue of married chastity is practiced with sincerity of heart.156
2369
"By safeguarding both these essential aspects, the unitive and the procreative, the conjugal act preserves in its fullness the sense of true mutual love and its orientation toward man’s exalted vocation to parenthood."157
2370
Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159
Code:
    Thus the innate LANGUAGE that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory LANGUAGE, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.160
 
Why is NFP considered okay? Bottom line is you’re still controlling the situation in order to avoid conceiving. Why is that any better than any other method of birth control?

If the only reason to have sex is to conceive children, then married couples in which the wife is already pregnant shouldn’t have sex, either. By that logic, infertile couples also shouldn’t have sex.
There are 2 purposes to sex within marriage… unitive and procreative… they are intertwined and must not be separated.
 
I am 100 percent again abortion because it is the ending of a life that has begun. However, I do not see what is wrong about birth control - it is preventing the beginning of a life, not ending a life.
Hi, here is a short article I wrote, entitled, "Four Reasons Why Artificial Birth Control is Immoral and Unnecessary "

davidlgray.info/a4reasonsbc.html

I hope it helps you. God Bless you and thank you for your courage to test your reasoning. 👍
 
I’m sorry, this sounds like it is a very painful situation for you, that you are grieving over. I will pray for you, that even if you can’t get it reversed that you can feel at peace with what is done.
Thank you 🙂 I think that worrying and obsessing about it caused me to give up and head in the wrong direction and drive me farther away from God. Over the last week, I have worked through some major issues and accepted what I can not change. I don’t think people realize just how much pre-marital sex and ABC can mess up your views on sex and cause major problems in your marriage.
 
Hi kdragonfly, The research that I have seen shows that ABC can cause abortions because the embryo attatches to the womb lining and then ABC distroys the embryo causing an early abortion (before the mother even knows she pregnant). I have not got time to find the articles but I could look when I have got time if you would like?

Good luck on returning back to the Catholic faith.
 
There are 2 purposes to sex within marriage… unitive and procreative… they are intertwined and must not be separated.
If sex must be unitive and procreative, then a woman who has reached menopause and can no longer have children shouldn’t have sex, either. Or a woman who is already pregnant. Or a couple who is infertile (let’s say for the sake of argument that they have seen a doctor confirming infertility). These are all situations in which procreation is not possible. I have read through the thread and have not seen a satisfying answer to this lack of logic.
 
The Catholic Church does not teach that sex is ONLY for procreation, or that marriage is only for procreation.
Okay. Then women after menopause should cease from having sex with their husbands. No procreation is possible at that point! 😛
 
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