Birthrates Help Keep Filipinos in Poverty

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i think morality is an integral part to human society. but you cannot call “moral” something that causes more harm than good. and prohibiting artificial contraception in this day & age is more harm than good.
a skeptic is in no position to lecture christians about what is or is not moral. since you doubt the existence of an external moral authority, you have no reference point for making distinctions between the moral and the immoral.

we’re making a moral argument that contraception brings more harm than good to families. you (and the article’s authors) are making a utilitarian argument, because as atheists/agnostics you have no other recourse.
 
washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/20/AR2008042001930.html

Contraceptives, Rejected by Government, Are Unaffordable for Many in Majority-Catholic Nation

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*Maria Susana Espinoza of Manila did not know how birth control worked until after her fourth child was born. Soaring rice prices have focused attention on population growth. *

*Acceding to Catholic doctrine, the government for the past five years has supported only what it calls “natural” family planning. No national government funds can be used to buy contraceptives for the poor, although anyone who can afford them is permitted to buy them. Local governments can also buy and distribute contraceptives, but many lack the money. *

Thats the philippine government submitting to Catholic Sharia law. :rolleyes: Instead of doing the best for the people by educating & financing birth-control, while the country is struggling with poverty.
So what should they do?

“Oh, you’re a financial burden, child. I’m going to shoot you.”

Is that best?
 
Not even after being visited by an Angel and receiving a Heavenly vision? After being given a world-changing mission?
I cant see how that would stop Mary & Joseph from falling in love and consummating their marriage. In Judaism having a blood-heir is extremely important. Onan got killed for not making one for his brother, remember?
If Joseph wanted sexual relations, he would have divorced Mary, which was lawful. Do not judge the highest life forms by the behavior of the lowest life forms!
they were already engaged before mary got mysteriously impregnated. if Joseph was really a decent guy, it would follow that their engagement involves being in-love. And why would a decent guy divorce the woman he loves?
But, once again, you are using your private morality that you derived from ??? You place your private beliefs above the value of human life itself. By your private morality, Mary would either have been divorced, or had a abortion!
its not private. contraception is the policy of many countries.
 
I cant see how that would stop Mary & Joseph from falling in love and consummating their marriage. In Judaism having a blood-heir is extremely important. Onan got killed for not making one for his brother, remember?

they were already engaged before mary got mysteriously impregnated. if Joseph was really a decent guy, it would follow that their engagement involves being in-love. And why would a decent guy divorce the woman he loves?

its not private. contraception is the policy of many countries.
If you knew anything about Mary and what happened, you would know that the marriage was something besides the usual love-based marriage, in accordance with Jewish law.

Are you saying that arranged marriages and the like are wrong? And why?
 
a skeptic is in no position to lecture christians about what is or is not moral. since you doubt the existence of an external moral authority, you have no reference point for making distinctions between the moral and the immoral.
the golden rule is the only basis we need for morality.
we’re making a moral argument that contraception brings more harm than good to families.
is it moral to bring a child into the world if you cannot feed it?

its much easier to use artificial contraception than abstain from sex.
 
they were already engaged before mary got mysteriously impregnated. if Joseph was really a decent guy, it would follow that their engagement involves being in-love. And why would a decent guy divorce the woman he loves?
Uh - because she’s pregnant and he knows the baby isn’t his? :rolleyes:

Joseph did, indeed, contemplate divorcing Mary. See Matthew 1:19.
 
the golden rule is the only basis we need for morality.

is it moral to bring a child into the world if you cannot feed it?

its much easier to use artificial contraception than abstain from sex.
Yeah, it’s also easier and cheaper to kill your wife than to live with her, so that should be the course of action.

Oh, wait…
 
Are you saying that arranged marriages and the like are wrong? And why?
Its not wrong. In judaism people can choose not to abide by arranged marriages. So even if that was an arranged marriage, if Joseph was a decent guy he would only agree to it if him & mary were attracted to each other. Right?
 
its much easier to use artificial contraception than abstain from sex.
Actually, if you’re flat broke, it’s easier to abstain from sex than to use birth control. (Been there, stayed there, because, hey, it works!! 😃 )
 
Actually, if you’re flat broke, it’s easier to abstain from sex than to use birth control. (Been there, stayed there, because, hey, it works!! 😃 )
if youve been married for like 15 years or so! by then sex becomes a chore. 😃
 
Joseph did, indeed, contemplate divorcing Mary. See Matthew 1:19.
only because he thought she was unfaithful. but when things were cleared up, i dont see no reason why his love & attraction to mary cant be renewed.
 
no, murder is actually a lot harder. nobody wants to go to prison. try again. :cool:
The principle is the same, even though the situation is different.

“Oh, the Flipno government should teach it’s people how to murder their own children so that they can be saved from destitution.”

Is that what you want?
 
says who? if there’s no god, then why should i follow the moral injunctions of someone who is just another human like myself?
because the social nature is encrypted into your genes. unless you are clinically psychotic, you would crave social approval.
 
Its not wrong. In judaism people can choose not to abide by arranged marriages. So even if that was an arranged marriage, if Joseph was a decent guy he would only agree to it if him & mary were attracted to each other. Right?
No.

The background is this. Mary is consecrated a virgin. In accordance with the law, the widower Joseph is chosen to protect and assist her. Since the Torah forbids cohabitation without marriage, they are married.
 
because the social nature is encrypted into your genes. unless you are clinically psychotic, you would crave social approval.
you don’t seem to crave the approval of the catholics writing here in opposition to your post. i will let others determine whether this is evidence of psychosis.
 
you don’t seem to crave the approval of the catholics writing here in opposition to your post. i will let others determine whether this is evidence of psychosis.
I have more than 3,000 posts. if i lasted that long, it means i passed the social standards here. 😃
 
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