Births to unmarried U.S. women set record

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This dosen’t surprise me at all.
When I was growing up in the 50’s this was a disgrace and a SIN.
If a girl got pregnant out of wedlock she was shipped out of town to hide the disgrace, which was a total embarrassment to her parents.
I work with half a dozen girls who have young children out of wedlock. They seem to be proud of the fact that they didn’t follow what society considers wrong, or a “sin”
I love it when the Grand Parents bring the child into the work place to show the child off. I feel like running up to them and saying: “Thats not your grandchild;-- your daughter is not married.” I guess being that intolerant is also a sin on my part.
Many of these unwed girls with babies that I know could have taken the easy way out and had an abortion. But they said no to abortion.

breitbart.com/news/2005/10/28/D8DH6FRO3.html
 
I wish all babies had two parents. However, we pray for the end of abortion and having more babies born of unwed mothers will be the first result of that. The people aborting babies are often not married. We have two very serious problems here. I think in one way we have to be relieved that the babies were born, and then work on the other problem.
 
Agreed… lets stop the abortions first.
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Fitz:
I wish all babies had two parents. However, we pray for the end of abortion and having more babies born of unwed mothers will be the first result of that. The people aborting babies are often not married. We have two very serious problems here. I think in one way we have to be relieved that the babies were born, and then work on the other problem.
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Sirach14:
I love it when the Grand Parents bring the child into the work place to show the child off. I feel like running up to them and saying: “Thats not your grandchild;-- your daughter is not married.”
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How rude:( …of course these children are their grandchildren you do not have to have married daughter/son for their kids to be your grandkids.

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Sirach14:
This dosen’t surprise me at all.
When I was growing up in the 50’s this was a disgrace and a SIN.
If a girl got pregnant out of wedlock she was shipped out of town to hide the disgrace, which was a total embarrassment to her parents.
I work with half a dozen girls who have young children out of wedlock. They seem to be proud of the fact that they didn’t follow what society considers wrong, or a “sin”
I love it when the Grand Parents bring the child into the work place to show the child off. I feel like running up to them and saying: “Thats not your grandchild;-- your daughter is not married.” I guess being that intolerant is also a sin on my part.
Many of these unwed girls with babies that I know could have taken the easy way out and had an abortion. But they said no to abortion.

breitbart.com/news/2005/10/28/D8DH6FRO3.html
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Why should the child have to suffer for it’s mom’s mistakes by being loved any less by it’s grandparents? I think that comment is pretty uncharitable. The CHILD has a right to be loved by it’s family, the mother deserves the lecture.
 
These children are just as important as those born to married families. The parents have to answer for their choice of life style. God loves all the children and their parents.
These mothers did not kill them and that is a wonderful thing. We can not make abortion and living conditions equal. If we do we promote abortion as a way to hide the life style. IMHO this would make us responsible for the murder of these babies. Love the person not the sin.
 
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Sirach14:
I love it when the Grand Parents bring the child into the work place to show the child off. I feel like running up to them and saying: “Thats not your grandchild;-- your daughter is not married.”
breitbart.com/news/2005/10/28/D8DH6FRO3.html
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What?! :mad: Whether the mother in married or not does not effect whether the mother’s parents would be grandparents to the child. Where on earth did you did you come up with* that? *

You need to start wroking on that log in your own eye before begin pointing out the sins of others. I find your comment mean and judgemental -not to mention false.

While it’s tagic that so many women are raising children out of wedlock these days. At least they didn’t kill them in the womb.

My husband was conceived out of wedlock, my bestfriend was concieved out of wedlock (and raised by her grandmother) and my bestfriend’s daughter was conceived out of wedlock. These are all amazing wonderful people that would never be here if their mothers’ had chosen abortion.
 
It’s sad, but it seems the illegitimacy rate seems to increase with the level of spending on social programs intended to help. I’m glad that George Bush doesn’t set the horrendous example that the sexually immoral Bill Clinton did, which is a plus; however, spending on programs that worsen the illegitimacy problem have soared under Bush. The intention has been to help; unfortunately results are more important than intentions.

This creates tough problems. First, it seems heartless to not want to take care of illegitmate children. Unfortunately, it creates a Catch-22, as the programs intended to help remove personsal responsibility. So secondly, by doing too much to help today, we indirectly cause more of it tomorrow.

I can see the problem. I just don’t know what the solutions are. It seems heartless to cut off help today, but it seems suicidal to continue to provide incentive that increase the problems tomorrow.

All I know to do is pray.
 
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Sirach14:
This dosen’t surprise me at all.
When I was growing up in the 50’s this was a disgrace and a SIN.
If a girl got pregnant out of wedlock she was shipped out of town to hide the disgrace, which was a total embarrassment to her parents.
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I am glad that this is no longer the case. How much pain this cause for both the child and mother, I can’t even begin to imagine.
By the way Leonardo de Vinci was illegitimate.
 
Thats sad it makes it a harder life the child being born out of wedlock. Unfortunatly with birth control and abortion it’s really seperated sex from marriage.
 
I thought the availability of birth control and abortion was supposed to stem this tide? I guess that old celebate bachelor in Rome may have known a bit more than people gave him credit for.
 
Chris G:
I thought the availability of birth control and abortion was supposed to stem this tide? I guess that old celebate bachelor in Rome may have known a bit more than people gave him credit for.
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Yes, birth control was supposed to prevent out of wedlock births. There were hardly any out of wedlock births in the 1950’s, with no birth control available.
Now, we’re passing out condoms in the schools, and everybody’s having babies!
 
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KathleenElsie:
These children are just as important as those born to married families. The parents have to answer for their choice of life style. God loves all the children and their parents.
These mothers did not kill them and that is a wonderful thing. We can not make abortion and living conditions equal. If we do we promote abortion as a way to hide the life style. IMHO this would make us responsible for the murder of these babies. Love the person not the sin.
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I agree – These children are just as important as those born to married families.

It’s a shame their parents don’t agree – and were not willing to enter into marriage and establish a stable family for them to be born into.
 
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JimG:
Yes, birth control was supposed to prevent out of wedlock births. There were hardly any out of wedlock births in the 1950’s, with no birth control available.
Now, we’re passing out condoms in the schools, and everybody’s having babies!
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Birth control was supposed to prevent out-of-wedlock births. So we made it freely available to everyone, and out-of-wedlock births went up.

Sex education was supposed to prevent out-of-wedlock births. So we have sex education in every public school, and out-of-wedlock births went up.

Abortion on demand was supposed to prevent out-of-wedlock births. So the Supreme Court made it freely available to everyone, and out-of-wedlock births went up.

I’m beginning to think out-of-wedlock births aren’t due to lack of birth control, or lack of sex education, or lack of abortion, but to sin.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
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Sirach14:
This dosen’t surprise me at all.
When I was growing up in the 50’s this was a disgrace and a SIN.
If a girl got pregnant out of wedlock she was shipped out of town to hide the disgrace, which was a total embarrassment to her parents.
I work with half a dozen girls who have young children out of wedlock. They seem to be proud of the fact that they didn’t follow what society considers wrong, or a “sin”
I love it when the Grand Parents bring the child into the work place to show the child off. I feel like running up to them and saying: “Thats not your grandchild;-- your daughter is not married.” I guess being that intolerant is also a sin on my part.
Many of these unwed girls with babies that I know could have taken the easy way out and had an abortion. But they said no to abortion.

breitbart.com/news/2005/10/28/D8DH6FRO3.html
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You talk about the unmarried girls who get pregnant. What about the men who impregnate them? Why is it only the girls who have to take all the blame?
 
I have one problem with the orginal post, how can you call the children born of one’s son or daughter not their grandchildren. The child is not at fault here. The parents commited the sin yes, and even the grandparents can be held accountable if their child is underage and they neglected to provide moral guidence. But under no circumstances is that innocent child not part of a family. Now the downfall of morals, parents not teaching their children, is why so many out of wedlock birth, so many abortions and wide use of Artifical birth control (my guess, it-(ABC)-doesn’t really work;))
 
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Sunniva:
You talk about the unmarried girls who get pregnant. What about the men who impregnate them? Why is it only the girls who have to take all the blame?
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Because that is the way it is. There is no effective way to make what is any different than what is.

Women have the privilege of being in themselves the archetype of the human race. Men have the privilege of protecting them. Women have the responsibility to choose quality men and enslave them for their own purposes. Men have the responsibility of dying.

So who has the tougher job?

All women have to do is select worthy men. Men, in turn, die for them.

If women won’t take this responsibility there will be men who won’t take theirs.

That just the way it is. It isn’t political. It is metaphysical.

Dan L
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Because that is the way it is. There is no effective way to make what is any different than what is.

Women have the privilege of being in themselves the archetype of the human race. Men have the privilege of protecting them. Women have the responsibility to choose quality men and enslave them for their own purposes. Men have the responsibility of dying.

So who has the tougher job?

All women have to do is select worthy men. Men, in turn, die for them.

If women won’t take this responsibility there will be men who won’t take theirs.

That just the way it is. It isn’t political. It is metaphysical.

Dan L
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So the men are not in the wrong here??
 
vern humphrey:
Birth control was supposed to prevent out-of-wedlock births. So we made it freely available to everyone, and out-of-wedlock births went up.

Sex education was supposed to prevent out-of-wedlock births. So we have sex education in every public school, and out-of-wedlock births went up.

Abortion on demand was supposed to prevent out-of-wedlock births. So the Supreme Court made it freely available to everyone, and out-of-wedlock births went up.

I’m beginning to think out-of-wedlock births aren’t due to lack of birth control, or lack of sex education, or lack of abortion, but to sin.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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No, no, no! There must be another reason! 😉
 
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