Bishop: ‘I would hate if people voted No for bigoted, nasty, bullying reasons’

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Sorry, but I would not have wanted two dads or two moms to raise me.
How about 1 mom and no dad at all (or visa versa)? As is God’s will for many children when He calls a parent home to Him while a child is still quite young. Just some food for thought and to ponder over… If God insisted only on a mom and a dad as many believe to be the ideal of family, why would it be in His plan to leave a young child to be raised by 1 parent? And what then would be the difference if a child is reared by 1 or 2 parents of 1 gender?
 
There are a number of traditionalists in the Church who actively denounce any sort of change, like the Nuvo Ordo (sp?) liturgy style as opposed to the traditional Latin mass; or those who believe that it’s only possible for Catholics to be saved (which has never been taught, not even in the encyclical which everyone always cherry-picks from to support that claim) Pope Francis has rightly spoken out against such traditionalism.
I always found this to be a red herring.

The problem is, even the SSPX believes in Baptism by desire. The ones who don’t believe in baptism of desire are so few are far in-between that it’s irrelevant. What they are saying is, if you are saved and in heaven, you are Catholic and part of the Church. Whether it was by water baptism or baptism by desire is irrelevant. I don’t know anyone who would dispute this.

The issue they have is saying you can be Jew/Buddhist/etc and be saved on those merits, outside the Church. There is still a strong moral imperative to convert and teach the fullness of the faith, which those outside the Church only know bits and pieces of.
 
How about 1 mom and no dad at all (or visa versa)? As is God’s will for many children when He calls a parent home to Him while a child is still quite young. Just some food for thought and to ponder over… If God insisted only on a mom and a dad as many believe to be the ideal of family, why would it be in His plan to leave a young child to be raised by 1 parent? And what then would be the difference if a child is reared by 1 or 2 parents of 1 gender?
Please. Lets take this and run with it for fun.

If God insisted only on a mom and a dad as many believe to be the ideal of family, why would it be in His plan to leave a young child to die by murderous parents?

And what then would be the difference if a child is reared by 1 or 2 parents or murdered by their parents?
 
Well revealing to Christians that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant would be one thing we wouldn’t have known. Also there is multiple layers to it, as it can also foreshadow/prophesy the coming persecutions at the end of the world as well.

Plus, you’re assuming the book of Revelation was written after the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD, when it could have been written before.
What are the “third of the stars in the sky”?
 
The majority of interpretations think it refers to the angels who rebelled with the devil and fell with him.
That doesn’t make any sense. What would they have to do with the woman?
 
Please. Lets take this and run with it for fun.

If God insisted only on a mom and a dad as many believe to be the ideal of family, why would it be in His plan to leave a young child to die by murderous parents?

And what then would be the difference if a child is reared by 1 or 2 parents or murdered by their parents?
You can run with it. I’ll pass though because I don’t find it fun to compare murder with gender.
 
Both conservative Catholic and progressive commentators have debunked the Pope Francis supports gay civil unions line:

slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/03/05/does_pope_francis_support_gay_civil_unions_no_no_no.html

catholicvote.org/pope-francis-supports-civil-unions/

Also, from the English language assistant to Holy See Press Office: "By responding in this way, Pope Francis spoke in very general terms, and did not specifically refer to same-sex marriage as a civil union. Pope Francis simply stated the issues and did not interfere with positions held by Episcopal Conferences in various countries dealing with the question of civil unions and same sex marriage.

We should not try to read more into the Pope’s words that what has been stated in very general terms."
Everyone seems to be speaking for the Pope, but the Pope never really clarifies it himself.
 
Also, if I’m not mistaken, CNA is a heterodox publication with a severely-liberal bend that frequently promotes things in direct opposition the Christ’s words and Church.
Ironically, the one time Pope Francis did clarify something, he said the media doesnt twist his words and these are not their ideas, but rather they are his ideas.
 
Everyone seems to be speaking for the Pope, but the Pope never really clarifies it himself.
That is interesting as is also according to Havard’s post, that the current Holy Father did not interfere with positions on civil unions and SSM.
 
We all have a skin in this game and I liken it to falling dominoes. WHERE is the clear and consistent teaching that the faithful have a right to. Lord, have mercy!
Who am I to judge? That’s where it is now days.
 
How about 1 mom and no dad at all (or visa versa)? As is God’s will for many children when He calls a parent home to Him while a child is still quite young. Just some food for thought and to ponder over… If God insisted only on a mom and a dad as many believe to be the ideal of family, why would it be in His plan to leave a young child to be raised by 1 parent? And what then would be the difference if a child is reared by 1 or 2 parents of 1 gender?
If you asked ANY child if they would want two mommies, two daddies, or one mommy, one daddy, or a mommy and a daddy. What do you think they would say??
 
If you asked ANY child if they would want two mommies, two daddies, or one mommy, one daddy, or a mommy and a daddy. What do you think they would say??
Depends entirely on how long they’ve been in government schools.
 
So the “Church still has an (name removed by moderator)ut into the schools in a very substantial manner” but still “in Ireland is a strong, strong feeling among many people that the Church is increasingly irrelevant and a foreign institution”.

Hard to reconcile those.
 
Correct. As much as faithful Catholics may not like it, there has been a steady and rapid resistance from the church influence in Ireland for a wide range of reasons. It is easy to blame on the devils influence or the evil media etc, but from within it is easy to see the truth of what is happening.

I think the vote will be closer than the polls are predicting as the no position if probably seen as an unfavourable one and people will keep it to themselves. plus, the no camp contains an older demographic and they are the people who are ore likely to vote.
 
If you asked ANY child if they would want two mommies, two daddies, or one mommy, one daddy, or a mommy and a daddy. What do you think they would say??
I think it depends on the child. If for instance they had spent yrs as orphans or in foster care, they might say I just want someone to tell me I’m home. Number, gender might not be such an issue to them. They would just want a loving, safe home. Same if a child had a mom and a dad and one or the other was abusive towards them. They might very well say I want the 1 who is not and treats me with care, tenderness and love. Or one poster brought up a child having what many consider to be ideal. Both a mom and a dad but they murder their child. I see nothing ideal about that even though they had the “ideal” of 2 parents of the opposite sex. Or for kids who never knew one of their parents due for instance to death, what they are familiar with in their own family situation is a single parent home and might well be most comfortable with that.
 
How have people’s experiences/relationships with their parish priests been over the years? I know that calls for a massive generalization, but insofar as it can be generalized, what do you think?
 
Who am I to judge? That’s where it is now days.
The Holy Father who oversees the Church nowadays as the supreme teacher of faithful Catholics said as much. Speaking to members of the press during a flight back to Rome from Rio de Janeiro after World Youth Day celebrations, Pope Francis responded to questions about the Vatican’s alleged gay lobby, by saying: “If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?”

catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/07/29/if-a-gay-person-seeks-god-who-am-i-to-judge-him-says-pope/
 
I guess I’m not too quick-minded, but I’m still wondering what he means by “bigoted, nasty and bullying reasons”.

Does that mean if I oppose homosexual marriage because it’s a public affirmation of sexual perversion, is a scandal to the young, and a debasement of the concept of marriage, I’m “bigoted, nasty and bullying”?

I don’t know, because he didn’t explain himself, but I’m wondering what reasons for opposing homosexual marriage he would NOT consider “bigoted, nasty or bullying”.
 
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