Bishop asks parishioners to stand?

[Phemie]

Dovekin:

And that is appropriate for the time after Communion, which to priests comes after the distribution of communion has ended. Accordingly that is how bishops have structured the service

What time is that? Have you ever been to a Mass where the priest sits for more than 10 seconds??

Yes, I have. The first time it happened folks thought something was wrong with the priest.

But the time of silence also includes the period of time when the vessels are being purified. The Communion procession is over at that point.

 

[Paul_Edwards]

Just kneel, out of thanksgiving and out of reverence for Our Lord and remind yourself that it is not the bishop or priest who we are kneeling for it is rather for the most High God.

 

[Jen95]

Jen7:

Dovekin:

And that is appropriate for the time after Communion, which to priests comes after the distribution of communion has ended. Accordingly that is how bishops have structured the service

What time is that? Have you ever been to a Mass where the priest sits for more than 10 seconds??

Yes, I have. The first time it happened folks thought something was wrong with the priest.

But the time of silence also includes the period of time when the vessels are being purified. The Communion procession is over at that point.

So people should stand until the priest starts to purify the vessels, and then kneel? And stay kneeling if the priest sits quietly after the purification time?

 

[Dovekin]

When the distribution of Communion is over, if appropriate, the Priest and faithful pray quietly for some time. If desired, a Psalm or other canticle of praise or a hymn may also be sung by the whole congregation.
GIRM 88
if appropriate, [the faithful] may sit or kneel during the period of sacred silence after Communion.
GIRM 43

People stand until the distribution of Communion is over.

Priests normally sit after the purifications, but that is particular to the duties of the priest.

 

[Jen7]

But the time of silence also includes the period of time when the vessels are being purified. The Communion procession is over at that point.

Our priest doesn’t purify at the altar. It’s done after Mass I believe. When the Communion “procession” is over, there is hardly any time. As i said elsewhere, if the standing thing comes to my diocese I’m going to sit in the back so at least I can kneel before Communion.

 

[Paul_Edwards]

It shows how bad things are getting, when devout Catholics have to sit at the back in a church in order to avoid being prodded or stared at or publicly shamed, Our Lady must be weeping with what is happening in her sons church on earth

 

[Paul_Edwards]

It shows how bad things are getting, when devout Catholics have to sit at the back in a church in order to avoid being prodded or stared at or publicly shamed, Our Lady must be weeping with what is happening in her sons church on earth lately

 

[Dovekin]

It shows how bad things are getting, when devout Catholics have to sit at the back in a church in order to avoid being prodded or stared at or publicly shamed

Who do you think sits at the back of the church? Does your parish bus in anti-catholic demonstrators to heckle the priest? In my church, we have devout Catholics sitting throughout.

Jen is choosing to sit in the back. Compliance with the letter of the law allows her to not worry about the bishops’ directives if she sits there.

I have known people who have been “prodded, poked at and publicly shamed” but it has been for not kneeling. I cannot think of an instance when it happened to someone who was kneeling in church unless they were blocking the way somehow.

 

[Jen95]

I wonder whether a parish could have one of the Communion stations have a single kneeler / “prie-Dieu” where parishioners could receive kneeling if they preferred.
Has anyone ever seen this?

 

[Paul_Edwards]

I’m sure someone mentioned once that while kneeling down during the sign of peace (so as to not be disturbed in prayer during the mass) they were tapped by somebody (who wanted a hand shake I assume). Can’t remember the details to be honest, but I can imagine it.

 

[CradleRC58]

Interesting topic. All I can say is…

:grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

 

[Phemie]

But why would someone opt to be kneeling then when we aren’t called to kneel until “Behold the Lamb of God…” ? To be able to be offended if someone offers them the Sign of Peace?

 

[vz71]

be able to be offended if someone offers them the Sign of Peace?

Are they offering it or inflicting it upon?

 

[Jen7]

But why would someone opt to be kneeling then when we aren’t called to kneel until “Behold the Lamb of God…” ? To be able to be offended if someone offers them the Sign of Peace?

I thought the original comment was a joke / sarcastic? Do people really kneel through the sign of peace?!

 

[Jen7]

That sounds nice esp during flu season! Our parish is pretty touchy-Feely at the sign of peace, haha. The priest asks folks not to receive the precious blood in the winter if they may have the flu & I always wish he’d also ask them not to shake hands / hug everyone either!

 

[Minks]

Dovekin:

No one has a problem with you kneeling. It is just not the norm chosen by the bishsops. Their intent was to get a more unified congregation to reflect the unity that comes from our communion.

I don’t have a unity with the congregation I have a unity with Christ. That is what the Eucharist is. 90% of those people would act like they don’t even know you 5 minutes after Mass.

@Prodigal1984

YES!!! A thousand times, yes!!!

 

[Genesis315]

In the old Mass, there there are no rubrics for the laity–a common custom and tradition, handed on from generation to generation and to new Catholics, which grew from piety, worked (and still work) just fine to maintain unity. On the other hand, bishops and priests had very strict rubrics with little freedom.

Unfortunately, clericalism is much more rampant in our time–priests and bishops are given lots of freedom and flexibility in the Mass (and often take even more for themselves), while they impose minutiae on the laity, even minutiae opposed to longstanding pious customs. Blech.

Bishops, like a gardener who allows a plant to grow, only pruning where necessary, should let the people do what they will, only reprobating customs that violate the the spirit of the liturgy and the proper reverence due it–kneeling after communion does not do this (in fact, it is deeply in line with the reality of that liturgy and the sacrament just received). Too often, unfortunately, they do the opposite.

 

[Jen7]

In the old Mass, there there are no rubrics for the laity–a common custom and tradition, handed on from generation to generation and to new Catholics, which grew from piety worked (and still work) just fine to maintain unity. On the other hand, bishops and priests had very strict rubrics with little freedom.

Unfortunately, clericalism is much more rampant in our time–priests and bishops are given lots of freedom and flexibility in the Mass (and often take even more for themselves), while they impose minutiae on the laity, even minutiae opposed to longstanding pious customs. Blech.

Bishops, like a gardener who allows a plant to grow, only pruning where necessary, should let the people do what they will, only reprobating customs that violate the the spirit of the liturgy and the proper reverence due it–kneeling after communion does not do this (in fact, it is deeply in line with the reality of that liturgy and the sacrament just received). Too often, unfortunately, they do the opposite.

A fascinating perspective!! This is not how you typically hear clericalism defined but it makes so much sense. Strangely, I feel the priests who practice this type of clericalism (imposing strictly defined expressions of “unity” on the laity while leaving themselves the freedom to perhaps ad lib parts of the Mass) would be the first to claim they have NOTHING to do with clericalism.