Bishop Athanasius Schneider: ‘We are in the fourth great crisis of the Church’

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The Bishop is only confirming what many of us have known about liberalism in the Catholic Church for years, with many making up their own laws to suit their own lifestyles regardless of what the Church teaches. When one blind man follows another both fall into the pit !
 
Hello Slaney.
The Bishop is only confirming what many of us have known about liberalism in the Catholic Church for years, with many making up their own laws to suit their own lifestyles regardless of what the Church teaches. When one blind man follows another both fall into the pit !
Him and others. I just got a copy of a cute little TAN booklet called Liberalism is a Sin. It is good reading so far although I ws very surprised by the age of it. I think Belloc was warning folks too. We were warned by many in the Church and in Academia and elsewhere these times we are living in would happen. I personally think Liberalism is one of the main taproots of the rotten tree bearing rotten fruit that we are all being force fed from.

Glenda
 
I wonder if PV might not be thinking about additional factors which may have helped to underscore the holiness of Communion (the Real Presence)?
The examination of conscience, confession, and fasting practices, might help the communicant prepare to be in the presence of the Real Presence and underscore that reality.
It is indeed possible that I am wrong here. I hate it when I assume, especially when I err in my assumption. I have mentioned I am a convert many times and think I may be the only one posting here. I admit I may have taken it too personally and apologize.

Now the whole topic of mortal sin, and sainthood is too far afield to pursue, by I confess to being far from center on this topic and it remains one of my more favorite topics in personal conversation.
 
The Bishop is only confirming what many of us have known about liberalism in the Catholic Church for years, with many making up their own laws to suit their own lifestyles regardless of what the Church teaches. When one blind man follows another both fall into the pit !
Again, this is another word that needs careful definition. From New Advent:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09212a.htm

Again Liberalism may also mean a political system or tendency opposed to centralization and absolutism. In this sense Liberalism is not at variance with the spirit and teaching of the Catholic* Church.
I would say that any Catholic that deems himself a liberal would be well advised to study the condemnations made against modern liberalism in depth, to be assured that they understand the limitations and the dangers of philosophical modernism and rationalism.

For the record, I am not liberal in either the modern, political or theological sense.
 
Hello Slaney.

Him and others. I just got a copy of a cute little TAN booklet called Liberalism is a Sin. It is good reading so far although I ws very surprised by the age of it. I think Belloc was warning folks too. We were warned by many in the Church and in Academia and elsewhere these times we are living in would happen. I personally think Liberalism is one of the main taproots of the rotten tree bearing rotten fruit that we are all being force fed from.

Glenda
According to the author, these are the principles of Liberalism:
  1. The absolute sovereignty of the individual in his entire independence of God and God’s authority.
  1. The absolute sovereignty of society in its entire independence of everything which does not proceed from itself.
  1. Absolute civil sovereignty in the implied right of the people to make their own laws in entire independence and utter disregard of any other criterion than the popular will expressed at the polls and in parliamentary majorities.
  1. Absolute freedom of thought in politics, morals, or in religion. The unrestrained liberty of the press.
1 and 2 are not really relevant to modern liberalism (in my opinion). Some liberals may believe that but the majority would simply scratch their heads at those statments.

3 and 4 are basically democracy. The Church of course has traditionally been anti democracy but they have changed thier tune since the 1800’s when this book was written. Do you really not believe in freedom of thought or freedom of religion? The unrestrained liberty of the press is a heresy?

I honestly couldn’t get very far, it’s an angry, reactionary little book. For example:
Liberalism is, therefore, a greater sin than blasphemy, theft, adultery, homicide, or any other violation of the law of God, save in such case as where one acts in good faith, in ignorance, or without thought.
 
Hello PNewton.
It is indeed possible that I am wrong here. I hate it when I assume, especially when I err in my assumption. I have mentioned I am a convert many times and think I may be the only one posting here. I admit I may have taken it too personally and apologize.

Now the whole topic of mortal sin, and sainthood is too far afield to pursue, by I confess to being far from center on this topic and it remains one of my more favorite topics in personal conversation.
No, you are not alone. I too, am a convert. And the kitties are cuties.

Now back to the serious stuff.

Glenda
 
I am not an American Catholic

I have never seen people receive the host in the hand until I got here to the States. And I was shocked.

I just don’t think my hands are worthy to touch it. Only the priest or deacon.

Still today in most parts of the world the host is not received in the hand.

I believe this is primarily an American problem. Maybe Europe and other isolated places. But I believe the majority receive it in the mouth directly.

This is not a consequence of Vatican II at all. It is a cultural thing. I believe.

I’m not saying it is right or wrong. I, myself, would not change and will continue to receive it in the mouth directly.
 
Hello PNewton.

No, you are not alone. I too, am a convert. And the kitties are cuties.

Now back to the serious stuff.

Glenda
Not quite yet. To use the bottom picture as a demonstration of theological liberalism. The hand is the liberal, whose job it is to push for new thoughts and ideas. The cat is the conservative whose job it is to keep the limits of new thoughts in line!
 
Hello PNewton.
Not quite yet. To use the bottom picture as a demonstration of theological liberalism. The hand is the liberal, whose job it is to push for new thoughts and ideas. The cat is the conservative whose job it is to keep the limits of new thoughts in line!
I am tempted to start a new thread on whether or not persons consider themselves liberals or conservatives. Could throw a few sparks.

Glenda
 
Hello PNewton.

I am tempted to start a new thread on whether or not persons consider themselves liberals or conservatives. Could throw a few sparks.

Glenda
Go for it glendab! Would be interesting. I believe it was you a few pages back that mentioned a book called Liberalism is a Sin, by Rev. Fr. Felix Sarda Salvany. I believe it was written in 1886. Can you imagine what he’d have to say about liberalism, 2014?..Holy smokes!

By the way. Here is that book right here…ewtn.com/library/theology/libsin.HTM

Peace, Mark
 
Hello Mark.
Go for it glendab! Would be interesting. I believe it was you a few pages back that mentioned a book called Liberalism is a Sin, by Rev. Fr. Felix Sarda Salvany. I believe it was written in 1886. Can you imagine what he’d have to say about liberalism, 2014?..Holy smokes!

By the way. Here is that book right here…ewtn.com/library/theology/libsin.HTM

Peace, Mark
Rats! I could’ve read it for free.

Glenda
 
Hello Mark.

Rats! I could’ve read it for free.

Glenda
But how will you hi-lite those things you wish to retain, underline the things that “click” and write comments in the margins?

A well-read book needs to show its mileage! You should see my paperback copy! 😃
 
WOW ! Is this Bishop ever right on the mark. His comments about the October synod are particularly revealing. It’s going to be an interesting year.
I only hope and pray the good Bishop Scheider will be present at the meeting of Bishops that was mentioned. I pray the Holy Spirit will descent upon all those Bishops and only the everlasting truths and practices of our faith will come to bear with them, like at the First Ecumenical Council Nicea.

Love and Blessings
 
Hello Tigg.
But how will you hi-lite those things you wish to retain, underline the things that “click” and write comments in the margins?

A well-read book needs to show its mileage! You should see my paperback copy! 😃
I’m already underlining in my copy and there are a few dog-eared pages too. I’m rough on books.

“The first condition of charity is not to violate the truth…” Page 65. I’m gonna use that here I think. Might fit in somewhere. The book is excellent.’

Glenda
 
catholicherald.co.uk/features/2014/06/06/bishop-athanasius-schneider-we-are-in-the-fourth-great-crisis-of-the-church/

**Bishop Athanasius Schneider: ‘We are in the fourth great crisis of the Church’
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During a trip to England the Soviet-born bishop says the Church today is experiencing ‘tremendous confusion’

By SARAH ATKINSON

Liberals, collaborating with the “new paganism”, are driving the Catholic Church towards a split, according to Bishop Athanasius Schneider, the liturgical specialist who is carrying on a rearguard fight against “abuses” in the Church.

So serious are the problems, Bishop Schneider said in an interview last week, that this is the fourth great crisis in the history of the Church, comparable to the fourth-century Arian heresy in which a large part of the Church hierarchy was implicated.

If you have not heard of the Soviet-born bishop, you will. The sincere, scholarly clergyman is auxiliary bishop of the distant Archdiocese of St Mary in Astana, Kazakhstan. But this month he has received a rock star welcome from congregations across the country on his tour of England and he has embraced cyberspace to put over a trenchant, traditional defence of the Church. “Thanks be to God, the internet exists,” he said.
Wait, does this comment imply that the so-called :cool:, hip “modern world” of things like free contraception paid for by USA nuns, abortion on demand and so-called gay “marriage” is not only an unoriginal idea but predates Constitutional conservative values, which would make it even more old, outdated and yucky by progressive standards?! :eek: :eek:

“Auntie M! Auntie M! It’s a twister! It’s a twister!”
 
I am not an American Catholic

I have never seen people receive the host in the hand until I got here to the States. And I was shocked.

I just don’t think my hands are worthy to touch it. Only the priest or deacon.

Still today in most parts of the world the host is not received in the hand.

I believe this is primarily an American problem. Maybe Europe and other isolated places. But I believe the majority receive it in the mouth directly.

This is not a consequence of Vatican II at all. It is a cultural thing. I believe.

I’m not saying it is right or wrong. I, myself, would not change and will continue to receive it in the mouth directly.
I take it by mouth, too.

👍
 
Here 'ya go! Confusion, confusion and discontinuity. Within continuity lies sensus fidelium – that instinct governed by the Spirit within each heart that says “this is the faith” the one we have always known and believed!
As the good Bishop Scheider reported, and I have reason to doubt him, it was a grave mistake to allow the faithful to receive Holy Eucharist in their own Hands. This was not the original idea of the Vatican Council, nor of Pope Paul VI. It was a disobedience by certain bishops in Germany and some other regions. It was introduced to the USA by deceit as reported by the good bishop.

On many a Sunday people bring to me host they find in the pews, in missalettes etc. I have seen people try to put the host in their pocket of purse and have had to chase after them and demand they receive the host properly or return the host to myself.

Other things to take into consideration is it is less reverent to receive Holy Communion in the Hand, and there are more chances to the host to drop or for tiny crumbs to fall on the floor and clothes.
Do we truly believe that the Consecrated Host is the Body, Blood, soul and Divinity of Christ? Or do some thing it only Symbolizes the Lords supper. If you believe the Host only Symbolizes the Last Supper, than you should not receive Holy Communion at ALL.
 
I only hope and pray the good Bishop Scheider will be present at the meeting of Bishops that was mentioned. I pray the Holy Spirit will descent upon all those Bishops and only the everlasting truths and practices of our faith will come to bear with them, like at the First Ecumenical Council Nicea.

Love and Blessings
My prayers are with yours RevPasquella. We need some firm, serious guidance today. God Bless, Memaw
 
Not my preferred way to “Take and Eat,” reverently as Christ instructed.
For the record, the Latin word is “Accipite” as in (accipere, accepi, acceptus) from which our English word “accept” comes from.

“Accepting” has a slightly different meaning than “taking” or “receiving” but that won’t stop the Anglophones from setting their own doctrinal standards.
 
Thank you Rev. Pasquella,
So many good sincere cradle Catholics and converts continue to receive in obedience to their Pastors & Bishops as if that is the only way to do it. The Priests do not seem to want to volunteer the fact that receiving on the tongue while kneeling is the Norm of the Church. They seem to be bothered that kneeling might make communion 3 minutes longer than usual. How can we start a Catholic re-education program outside of the Bishops w/out a direct challenge to them?
I thought of printing up fliers to hand to parishioners outside of church that gives them the facts and assures their right to receive on the tongue. I thanked people outside of church for receiving on the tongue and they felt it was the proper posture for communion.
How can we, the laity, press our bishops and pastors to ask them to facilitate kneeling again for those who wish to do so? Many who want to kneel don’t have a kneeler or altar rail to assist them so they are forced to stand. We, the laity, must make the USCCB know that we want our kneelers back and for them to explain the difference between the Norm of the Church and the Indult.
Talk about advanced application of Theology of the Body, how else should the Bride of Christ receive her Lord?
 
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