Bishop bars state legislative leaders may not be admitted to Holy Communion

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I said nothing about “correcting gay people.”

I said a lot about showing love through a friendship that is loyal and generous and fun.

And I said nothing about 'sending a corrective message to gay people is a central necessity of Catholic existence."

Yes, I definitely have sins of my own to work on.

Believe me, I have plenty of gay friends and acquaintances who know exactly what I believe, but they honor me by continuing to be my friends. So I must be doing something right.

Many of these gay friends have been involved in relationships that have failed, sometimes a series of romances that didn’t work out, and although they still hold out hope that someday, they’ll meet someone to love for a lifetime, they are hurting in their heart and soul. I think that they gain by being friends with someone like me who doesn’t reject them and can share a good time and some laughter and tears with them, and I gain by being with people who are not just like me and who are there for me when I am hurting.

I am not the self-righteous circuit minister that some CAF people seem to think I am. But I do believe we are called to speak the truth in love. The truth is, “homosexual acts are gravely disordered and can never be approved.” That’s what the Church teaches and has taught for 2000 years. When asked, I will tell.
 
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I do not support this Bishop’s actions which I see as an unwarranted attempt to interfere in our democratic legislative processes. Furthermore, I think that he is a hypocrite. If he is so concerned about reducing the incidence of abortion, why does he not take the unpopular step of advocating for the elimination of child-support laws? These laws motivate men to enable abortions for their pregnant girlfriends.
 
Yes, your taxes would go up. Which is, of course, a more important consideration than reducing the incidence of abortion.
 
No that is not why. Children need their father to contribute to their upbringing. And men need to be held accountable
 
On the contrary, I feel it would accomplish the sending of a message that not all Catholics have animus towards gay people. This is my opinion and I realize it is not likely to be popular with many of the posters on CAF.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I have to say that reading the repeated long postings on here going on and on about how we need to be correcting gay people makes me feel the Pride events are even MORE needed and that perhaps I should go to one.

I am rather put off by how many people on this forum seem to think sending a corrective message to gay people is a central necessity of Catholic existence. I’m sure all these people posting such stuff have sins of their own to work on and could be doing that rather than beating the dead gay horse here just endlessly. I turned my hearing aid off months ago.
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If you go to one make sure you identify yourself as Catholic for maximum effect.

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It would not save any human lives. Instead many more would be left suffering.
 
13pollitos said:
It would not save any human lives. Instead many more would be left suffering.
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That’s just not true. Unwed fathers enable abortions because, rightly or wrongly, they do not want to be stuck with 18 years of child-support payments. I think that it is more than obvious that deleting these laws would reduce the incidence of abortion.

And as long as we accept slightly higher taxes, the children will not be deprived. Society will provide for their support, and their fathers will not be motivated to skip town to avoid arrest for non-support.
 
They are deprived of their fathers and the fathers contribution to their care and upbringing.

I have no problem with expanding financial and medical coverage for families who are struggling. I would not mind paying more in taxes to make that happen. However, that will not curb abortion rates either.

Some men may enable abortions. Some may even coerce women into having them. I know a few men who tried desperately to prevent their babies from being aborted but the mom decided and they had no say.

It’s much more complicated than letting fathers off the hook for cash. More men need to step up for their kids instead of more men being pushed aside.
 
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And as long as we accept slightly higher taxes, the children will not be deprived.
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I don’t think you are going to find much enthusiasm among conservative opponents of abortion for raising taxes to support someone else’s illegitimate children and some “welfare queen”, as Ronald Reagan put it.
 
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@Tis_Bearself and @phil19034

If you don’t mind me asking, this sort of question, but do you have hope for the Church there? In Delaware? In the Northeast?

Also, this is more for Phil (but I’d love to hear from Tis_Bear if you don’t mind) but does Delaware and the Northeast have a lot of socially conservative but more fiscally if not economically progressive people (pro-life, pro-welfare, pro-social justice)? Are there actually tons of voters in America like that or such as these?
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I don’t know if there are numbers for this, but yes, I know many (esp Catholics) who are socially conservative (pro-life) but fiscally liberal (pro-welfare). Many priests in the Northeast are like that.

The whole “social justice” thing gets more complicated. I know of many Catholics who are pro-life social justice warriors; but then I know of many social justice warriors who are personally against abortion but not against outlawing it for “social justice” reasons.

But with mainline Protestants, if they are social justice minded, they are typically going to be pro-choice (even if they are personally against it)
 
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