Bishop Burke excommunicates women "priests"

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Cabin4 said:
“The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”
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Are you for real? Obviously, you have no concept of what my signature means and I fail to see a need to quote it in this discussion.
 
Cabin4 said:
Read your history.
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I have. You simply ain’t gonna make a case that there were women running around with valid holy orders in 400 AD. Try again. And then repent, because this road only leads to bitterness.
 
Cabin4 said:
I stated that Canon Law and God’s law seem to get kind of crazy sometimes. It is a simple statement towards Bishop Burke’s use of Canon Law over Gospel. What, exactly, have the women done against the law of God? And what have these priests (rape, molest, and chlid porn) done against the law of God?

The women have earned excommunication but the priests have not.

Jesus spoke of equility, compassion, and justice. The Church has a history of changing it’s stance on the priesthood as well as other injustices (slavery).
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Vague, unsubstantiated criticisms of the Church really have nothing to do with the topic here. Neither to pedophiles. There is nothing to prevent the women from having their excommunication lifted. All they need do is renounce their heresy. Pope John Paul II proclaimed that all debate on women’s ordination is to cease that the matter is settled. Women are not valid matter for the priesthood. It is something which Catholics do not have freedom to disagree on and remain faithful. Tossing other sinners into the conversation is ridiculous. All can be forgiven.
 
Yes, Scottgun.

And, you won’t find a woman rabbi in Orthodox Judaism either. (And you won’t find a story or editorial about that in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch either!)
 
Obedience, obedience, obedience…!
The ONLY way to test the spirit you are following is through OBEDIENCE! The devil can imitate many things but NEVER obedience. GOD BLESS ARCHBISHOP BURKE!
 
I am addressing canon law which allows for the excommunication of the women. I am addressing the issue with the actions given by penal codes (addressing excommunication for the hisdeous actions of child moelsting priests versus women who say they are priests). As has been mentioned, Christ’s church has chnaged it’s mind throughout history. So, is this history repeating itself?

Also, if Bishop Burke has excommunicated the women, is he saying that they are priests?
 
Cabin4 said:
I am addressing canon law which allows for the excommunication of the women. I am addressing the issue with the actions given by penal codes (addressing excommunication for the hisdeous actions of child moelsting priests versus women who say they are priests). As has been mentioned, Christ’s church has chnaged it’s mind throughout history. So, is this history repeating itself?

Also, if Bishop Burke has excommunicated the women, is he saying that they are priests?
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Cabin4,

Canon Law allows for the excommunication of **UNREPENTANT **Catholics.

If Catholics are REPENTANT, they cannot and should not be excommunicated. It matters not if their sin is sexual abuse of a child or being ordained a woman priest.

This is the distinction you seem to be missing.
 
So, did all those priests repent? Were they all served letters from Bishop Burke? Bishop Burke is he saying that the women are priests, or are they just sinning women? Don’t we have confession for that as well—sinning?
 
Cabin4 said:
I am addressing canon law which allows for the excommunication of the women. I am addressing the issue with the actions given by penal codes (addressing excommunication for the hisdeous actions of child moelsting priests versus women who say they are priests). As has been mentioned, Christ’s church has chnaged it’s mind throughout history. So, is this history repeating itself?

Also, if Bishop Burke has excommunicated the women, is he saying that they are priests?
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Actually the Church hasnt changed thats where most people have the biggest problem with the CC. Over 2000 years and still going. Still the same word of God. Now as far as minor decisions that for the Pope to do. And as far as these women being priests isnt that what this is about. The Bishop said NO.
 
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So, did all those priests repent? Were they all served letters from Bishop Burke? Bishop Burke is he saying that the women are priests, or are they just sinning women? Don’t we have confession for that as well—sinning?
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Yes, we do, but as of yet the women in question have not availed themselves of the Sacrament of Confession. Moreoever, they have indicated to the media as well as to the Archbishop himself that they are not repentant.

Can you provide media reports in which the priests who are guilty of sexual abuse told the media that they were not repentant?
 
From Archbishop Burke:

“I have communicated with Ms. Fresen, Ms. Hudson, and Ms. McGrath, and informed them that if they participated in an attempted female ordination, they would be excommunicating themselves from the Catholic Church. In the apostolic letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, Pope John Paul II reaffirmed that the Catholic Church has no authority to confer priestly ordination on women. This teaching is to be held definitively by all the faithful as belonging to the deposit of faith. Because they participated in the attempted ordination, Church law requires me to publicly declare the excommunication.”

And here they are excommunicating themselves!

"In a statement Thursday, Hudson and McGrath said that they “and all Roman Catholic Womenpriests, reject the penalties of excommunication, interdict, and any other punitive actions from church officials. We are loyal daughters of the church, and we stand in the prophetic tradition of holy (canonical) disobedience to an unjust man-made law that discriminates against women.”

How arrogant they are!
 
And…can anybody tell me what holy disobedience is? Besides an oxymoron!
 
If the Roman Catholic Church has no authority to confer ordination of women, then the women have no “done” anything?

They sinned, just like all sinners sin…you, me. There excummunication is for WHAT? They are not able to ordain themselves or, are they? Bishop Burke is saying that they are by excommunicating them.

(And I have no idea what oradined rapists and molesters of children confess…and I don’t want to know.)

Holy Disobidience is when you object to the action as being “unjust in spirit”. They women are, in my words, not their’s, refuting the order as being against the teachings of Christ. It is an arguement that has not been argued since it is not to be spoken of in Canon Law. JPII simply stated that there will be no discussion of the ordination of women. I brought up the point about slavery due to the fact that the church once supported it because it was supported in the biblical text and later found to be immoral. The women are stating the same, but not on the iditical reference of slavery. They are stating that the ordination of women is moral because is is compatable to the teachings of Christ.
 
Here is a canon lawyers analysis of Burke’s excommunications: canonlaw.info/2008/03/abp-burkes-excommunication-of-women.html

What’s noteworthy is the woman doing the “ordaining” was given excom for “simulating a Sacrament”, indicating that a valid Sacrament had no more taken place than if someone had tried to confect the Eucharist using beer and pizza.

Plus, if we look at Ordinatio Sacerdotalis
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.
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And the followup dubium which locates JPII’s above teaching in the Deposit of Faith, we see that this is much more than mere quibbling over canon law.
 
You know what Cabin 4? Just go to church tonight, Holy Thursday, and celebrate the night Jesus not only instituted the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, but also the sacrament of Holy Orders…to MEN!!!
 
We are all asked to be priestly people. All of us, regardless of our “pelvis”.
 
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