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johnstown_johnn
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Story and decree of excommunication can be seen on:
[www.spiritdaily.com](www.spiritdaily.com)
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nobeerinheaven
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I can’t get enough of that guy, we should have good men like him in charge of every diocese (and archdiocese). 
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Ljrm18
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That’s incredible and great! I remember several years ago, going to a theology discussion, and several (catholic) women got up in arms about the Catholic church’s refusal to let women become priests.
I stood up and said that if a woman wants to honor God with a vocation, her option is to become a Sister of God, not a priest which is a man’s vocation. It seems to me that these women who want to take over the man’s role in the Catholic church, are not only feminist, but on a power trip. If you weren’t in it for the authority becoming a priest gives you, you’d honor our Lord by dedicating your life to him, as a Sister or a Nun.
I stood up and said that if a woman wants to honor God with a vocation, her option is to become a Sister of God, not a priest which is a man’s vocation. It seems to me that these women who want to take over the man’s role in the Catholic church, are not only feminist, but on a power trip. If you weren’t in it for the authority becoming a priest gives you, you’d honor our Lord by dedicating your life to him, as a Sister or a Nun.
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mikew262
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While in this case, he didn’t really have any choice, I’m not really a big Burke supporter. He acts more like a CEO, no parish field experience from what I understand. He was a canon lawyer. He’s made a mess out of the St. Stan situation. Zero people skills. Tends to butt his nose into business even though he has no direct authority over it.
BTW, I live close to STL, so I hear/read about him all the time.
BTW, I live close to STL, so I hear/read about him all the time.
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Harmony1988
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Why are we ‘celebrating’ excommunication. I highly doubt the bishop is rejoicing over this. Shameful.
It must happen, the excommunication, but that doesn’t mean we need to be dancing in glee, instead send your positive vibes down the way of the excommunicated.
It must happen, the excommunication, but that doesn’t mean we need to be dancing in glee, instead send your positive vibes down the way of the excommunicated.
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MrS
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HE?? made the mess? And you call it a “situation”??
What St Louis do you live close to?
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saylo
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Lux_et_veritas
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Pardon me?
Archbishop Burke made a mess of the St. Stan situation?
Perhaps readers would be interested in understanding the complete story through the eyes of another Canonist, Ed Peters, JD, JCD. Within these two posts are many other links worth reading.
- Repairing Fr. Bozek’s sacramental blunders
- Fr. Bozek should stop and think
He is doing exactly what Fr. Corapi describes when he says, “I ain’t goin’ to hell for anybody”. He has an obligation to protect the flock there and considerable harm as been done.
Archbishop Burke did not make the mess. It was inherited. The whole affair began under Justin Cardinal Rigali and it was not the making of His Eminence either.
When the board of laypeople at St. Stanislaus Kostka rejected the priests sent by the Archdiocese and HIRED themselves a renegade priest from the diocese of Springfield-Cape Girardeau, they brought the mess on all by themselves. Fr. Marek Bozek in choosing to go AWOL in defiance of his own Bishop contributed to that mess.
Now, the lay board themselves, excommunicated by their own hand, are trying to get rid of Fr. Bozek. His strange ways have attracted all kinds of oddities into that parish, especially after he performed “ordinations” of women. Archbishop Burke has set up another parish for the polish people loyal to the Church who are now trying to flee that terrible situation. Invalid sacraments are being conferred upon people. Absolution sought was not valid. Marriages peformed were not valid. Confirmations he allegedly performed were not valid and now the very man that MikeW accuses of making “that mess” must clean it all up. His video embedded in this page at the Archdiocese of St. Louis website dedicated to the matter is an attempt to notify those poor souls that they have not received the Sacraments and to give them what they need.
I find it appalling that anyone who has thoroughly followed this case, could in any way attempt to blame Archbishop Burke for this mess.
For more on the “ordinations”, here is Ed’s take on the excommunication of the “women priests”
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saylo
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bishop burke does the right things.
he had to stop the inmates from running the asylum. the church cannot allow factions to become the authority in the church.
the good bishop leaves the door ajar for all of those that are excommunicated. if they publicly renounce their rebellious deeds; show repentance and appeal to his excellency to be returned to full communion with the true church they can be back into the flock.
when satan and his minions rebelled against God even they were given the chance to repent.
imo, the reference in the Apostles Creed which states: “He descended into Hell…” I believe this could mean the savior even gave satan and all the fallen angels one last chance.
bishop burke is doing God’s bidding. no doubt about it.
he had to stop the inmates from running the asylum. the church cannot allow factions to become the authority in the church.
the good bishop leaves the door ajar for all of those that are excommunicated. if they publicly renounce their rebellious deeds; show repentance and appeal to his excellency to be returned to full communion with the true church they can be back into the flock.
when satan and his minions rebelled against God even they were given the chance to repent.
imo, the reference in the Apostles Creed which states: “He descended into Hell…” I believe this could mean the savior even gave satan and all the fallen angels one last chance.
bishop burke is doing God’s bidding. no doubt about it.
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mikew262
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This Church was doing just fine and there was no problems for the past 100 yrs. Every previous Archbishop accepted the situation. The Diocese now wants the Church and the money under their umbrella. What do we have now? A previously loyal church and congregation in turmoil, people excommunicated, and for what? So a ego driven, stubborn church bureaucrat can have his way. Granted the priest St. Stan’s has now is somewhat on the rebellious side, but if Burke had just left well enough alone…HE?? made the mess? And you call it a “situation”??
What St Louis do you live close to?
No, IMO, he is a large reason for this mess. Yes, Burke does have some supporters, but I’m not one of them.
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mikew262
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There are plenty of people in the STL area who think just that. Don’t kid yourself. Only the “Church can do no wrong” crowd thinks Burke is totally blameless. While Fr. Bozek is not totally w/o fault here, at least he has the courage to stand up for the majority of the members of this church.
BTW, I believe there is only one board member that is now against Fr. Bozek. About 80% of the congregation still support him and want him to stay.
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mikew262
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Oh brother!
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Lux_et_veritas
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Have you read anything in any of those links? You still talk as if Abp Burke initiated this without any comprehension that it began under now Justin Cardinal Rigali. Even he is not to blame.
Unbelievable position to take in light of the facts. The folks of that parish should spend a little time in Carmelite studies where they will learn about the art of detachment - detachment from “money issues”. They can’t see the forest from the trees from the beginning of this issue.
It smacks of this: Non-serviam!
Jesus exemplified obedience unto death - death on a cross. what greater, true injustice could anyone suffer than what he was unjust? He did not exemplify that to have a bunch of parishioners in a parish thumb their noses at an Archbishop who had concerns (now visibly justified) over that parish. A humble response when Rigali wanted that most unusual financial situation to come to an end would have been humble submission. The building and control of finances do not make the Church. Humble obedience, even where such souls believe they are facing injustice (when they were not), is the path of virtue. What else but pride could be at the root of blatant, public, and visible disobedience - the kind that is willing to bring on excommunication for the sake of building and control of finances?
I take strong issue with anyone who would sit in judgment of Archbishop Raymond Burke on this matter as “a ego driven, stubborn church bureaucrat”.
This is quite shameful and offensive language.
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OutinChgoburbs
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The women excommunicated themselves. All Archbishop Burke did bring it to a formal arrangement- something more cardinals andbishops should do.
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Lux_et_veritas
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Sooooooooo…the Church is some kind of democracy?
God help those 80% who would support a disobedient, renegade priest who has attempted to “ordain” women, and has conferred invalid sacraments on Christ’s faithful.
So, which of the virtues that Christ taught does this kind of behavior exhibit?
Once again, it falls right in to the category of “non serviam”.
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mikew262
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It’s called an opinion and this is a forum, so pull your horns in. You are supporter of Burke and I am not. Simple as that, so you can quit with the dramatics.
I’m not saying he is an evil man by any stretch, but I think he has handled this situation very badly and the gain he may think he is getting is for outweighed by the harm that has been done in losing a formerly faithful parish. Money and control versus losing some Catholic faithful. Hmm… a no brainer for me, and God as well, I suspect.
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mikew262
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No argument here and Burke had no choice. While I’m no avid supporter of Archbishop Burke (as you can tell), I don’t condemn his actions here. These ladies had to know this was going to happen, and until the Church changes their position on this, which they won’t, then Burke had to take this action.
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mikew262
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No, but it’s not a dictatorship either, at least its not supposed to be.
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mikew262
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“Where 2 or more gather in my name, I will be there” Sound familiar? Don’t you worry, Christ is with this church.
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Lux_et_veritas
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An opinion is one thing. An attack on the person of a Bishop is another. Dislike for Abp Burke shouldn’t cloud what is happening there in StL.
I’m not sure how one can be “for” a bishop or not.
Either one is aligned with Rome in his actions or he is not. Hence, it’s a matter of being with the Church or not.
It’s like saying that one can choose to be “for” Fr. Bozek or not. Yet, Fr. Bozek is not with the Church, does not act in her name, therefore, those who support Fr. Bozek, do not support the Church, but their own desires.
I’m sorry but your comments are troubling and contradictory to sound catechesis and virtue.
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