Bishop calls homosexuality ‘gift from God,’ seeks to end ‘prejudices that kill’

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Seamus_L said:
Whether you’re a hardcore Traditional Catholic or an ultra-liberal progressive Catholic, I think we can all agree on one thing. We have reached the point where we now have Bishops who totally disagree with each other on what the Church teaches on certain issues.
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That is for sure!

I hope the Catholic church will survive this because this is what happened with
the Anglican Communion and Episcopal church.
The Pope will need to be very strong to hold our Church together.
Coming from the Episcopal church/Anglican Communion - it was very hard to watch
what happened.

We need to pray for the Pope and the Catholic Church everyday.
 
philipl said:
I wonder if pedophilia will become a gift from God? After all 50 years ago no Bishop would have said this out load.
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I think there is a bit of difference between two adults being together sexually and a predator abusing a child.
 
7_Sorrows said:
That is for sure!

I hope the Catholic church will survive this because this is what happened with
the Anglican Communion and Episcopal church.
The Pope will need to be very strong to hold our Church together.
Coming from the Episcopal church/Anglican Communion - it was very hard to watch
what happened.

We need to pray for the Pope and the Catholic Church everyday.
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Yes - I agree. Bishops are disagreeing on major things.
I think of the Arian Crisis of the fourth century.
Almost all the bishops fell into heresy and the pope himself wavered.
God raised up a great hero, St. Athanasius, who had to suffer a lot of persecution and exile - but the heresy was overthrown and the true Faith of the Church was victorious.
What did the faithful do when the bishops lost the faith?
Almost everybody was pressured to become Arian by the political powers.
But a large number of the faithful resisted the bishops who had accepted false teaching. The rule that guided them was that there was only one Deposit of Faith - the Sacred Tradition handed down. Nobody had the authority to create new doctrine.
Arius was an innovator - a progressive, if you will.
Today it’s the same. God does not ask us to follow new doctrines. The Deposit of Faith is closed. Nobody, not even a Pope can create new doctrine.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
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So, what was handed down to us by Sacred Tradition, and the condemnation of homosexuality is part of that, is what we adhere to.
False teachers will come and go. Even bishops.
Our task is to stay in the Church. That’s where God’s promises are.
 
7_Sorrows said:
We need to pray for the Pope and the Catholic Church everyday.
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This is true now and in all circumstances, I 100 percent agree.

Today’s Gospel though was Jesus telling St. Peter, “Upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.”

The Church has had its ups and downs and it will continue to have them, and we should always pray for the Church and the Holy Father.
But the Church is not going to crumble or vanish. Jesus said it wouldn’t. We must have confidence in Him.
 
Homosexuality, the way the bishop is using the word comes from concupiscence. It is but one aspect of this tendency we all have to sin against that which is good.

I cannot wrap my head around how this can be defined as a gift.
 
pnewton said:
Homosexuality, the way the bishop is using the word comes from concupiscence. It is but one aspect of this tendency we all have to sin against that which is good.

I cannot wrap my head around how this can be defined as a gift.
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I don’t understand it either. 😦
 
DaddyGirl said:
Bestiality?

The Bishop is talking about a person’s sexual orientation…not a specific sex act.

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The homosexual orientation is also not a gift from God. It is intrinsically disordered according to the Catechism. God is not a God of disorder.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
I think there is a bit of difference between two adults being together sexually and a predator abusing a child.
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Well there is NAMBLA that Man/boy relationship can be normal as long as the boy isnt forced. Who is to say what will happen in 30 to 50 years? After all, what this bishop said wouldnt have been said 50 years ago.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
I think there is a bit of difference between two adults being together sexually and a predator abusing a child.
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The big difference is only if you assume consent is the root of morality. In our modern world where we are God our consent determines morality. But that may not be the case. It could be that morality isn’t rooted in our consent.
 
My question is what will the Pope say or do about this Bishop? Shouldnt he be talked to and told to tell his flock he was wrong and if he refuses should he be excommunicated from the Church? The church is not doing its job these past few years and are letting to many liberal ideas go unchallenged. While god will never fail us the same can not be said about our leaders as they are human after all.
 
Otar_Mendes said:
Ah good. Another misinterpretation of CDC research without actually reading what CDC professionals wrote and their recommendations.

Btw what about lesbians huh? Safest sex in the world./sarcasm

Actually there are quite a few Judaism dogmas that call other things “abomination” including some innocent ones.

I find it amusing when Leviticus gets mentioned.What sane person would advocate for Leviticus standards? The book which dictates to kill innocent people for nothing including gay people. Mein Kampf for ancient Jewish tribes, no doubt about that.

The Old testament -one of the most hideous depictions of a god and his followers and what they do (god supporting ripping pregnant women’s bodies open coz their tribes didn’t want to worship him included) I’ve ever read.

Anyways, the priest is wrong. If he considers himself Catholic then he shouldn’t distort the Catholic Church teachings which is based on a “modernized” (cant kill gays anymore , enforce your Christian dogmas, persecute other believers, nonbelievers etc yeah) version of the Bible.
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Don’t want to derail the thread, but you realize that the Old Testament is a very varied collection of sacred texts from different eras and genres weaved together, right? There are some troubling passages to be sure- though we as Catholics understand that God progressively revealed himself to man… the early Jewish understanding was imperfect. That being said, when you move past certain uncomfortable aspacts of say Leviticus there are plenty of passages that emphasize mercy, compassion, welcoming the stranger, protecting the widow and the poor… etc. “I desire mercy not sacrifice” is an Old Testament not New quote. It’s foolish to read such ancient texts outside of the body of the Church’s sacred tradition. “Which verses do you take literally?” is a problem for Protestants not Catholics.
 
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
 
BroIgnatius said:
Actually, all sin is an abomination
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No, it’s technically not, if you are going by Jewish halacha. And since we are talking primarily about Leviticus here, I’m assuming you are basing your statement on an halachic definition.

Abomination is a class by itself and includes some sins and not others.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
No, it’s technically not, if you are going by Jewish halacha. And since we are talking primarily about Leviticus here, I’m assuming you are basing your statement on an halachic definition.

Abomination is a class by itself and includes some sins and not others.
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Why do you defend homosexual acts when you know God is against it?
 
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