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Freshman88
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huh? who said this? are you sure your reading the right thread?
quote someone, please.
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quote someone, please.
po18guy
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Well, I’m a 10%er, because I have no problem with those who receive on the tongue. In fact, I prefer it, as there is no concern over whether or not they consume His Body. I do prefer that the communicants approach with their hands in the praying posture, or held in some other fashion that allows me to know how they receive.
One of our former priests said that it’s an opportunity to stick your tongue out at the priest for a good reason
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Brennan_Doherty
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I certainly think it could be done for the Passover as he apparently did it for Judas. If only we could go back in a time machine and see how it was really done.
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Joannm
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What translation of the bible are you using? Two different versions I ahve say “He who dipped his hand into the dish with me will betray me” It says nothing about Jesus dipping a morsel into the wine and giving it to Judas on the tongue. Im fact in both these version this happens before the institution of the Eucharist. I can look up other versions but these two happen to be apprvoed Catholic versions.
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Freshman88
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I think that how Christ’s disciples received the bread at the last supper isn’t entirely relevant to us today. The problem for us today is trying to make us aware of the importance of what is before us. Thus whatever we do in the mass should be done to help add to the reverence and solemnity of the mass so that we may better participate in it. Whereas the disciples did not need such acts of reverence because they were with the high priest, God incarnate, Christ Himself was there talking to them, thus the importance of the event was already quite clear.
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MrS
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Exactly… afterall, they were also ordained at the Last Supper.
We are and remain the laity - without the responsibility to determine what changes we can make in things like the liturgy.
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katie33321
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The Catholic church is way too lenient today.
One of the things that should be put in place permanently is communion on the tongue only. I was told once that God left priests 5 graces, and one of them is to be able to touch the host with their hands. The rest of us NO NO NO, and that inclues eucharistic ministers, if you ask me there should not be such a thing. I don’t see why the church has to implement all these changes just so peeople can feel comfortable and “belong”.
Before all that, we owe God reverence and we should not trade that for a bunch of eucharistic ministers so we can stand in the line 2 minutes versus 15 if it was a priest only distributing the host.
I recommend a book called ‘Get Us Out of Here’ by Maria Simma. A lot of very useful info on the catholic church.
One of the things that should be put in place permanently is communion on the tongue only. I was told once that God left priests 5 graces, and one of them is to be able to touch the host with their hands. The rest of us NO NO NO, and that inclues eucharistic ministers, if you ask me there should not be such a thing. I don’t see why the church has to implement all these changes just so peeople can feel comfortable and “belong”.
Before all that, we owe God reverence and we should not trade that for a bunch of eucharistic ministers so we can stand in the line 2 minutes versus 15 if it was a priest only distributing the host.
I recommend a book called ‘Get Us Out of Here’ by Maria Simma. A lot of very useful info on the catholic church.
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Brennan_Doherty
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It would be from this verse:
John 13:26
Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon.
The assumption is that He would not dip the bread into wine and then just place the wet bread in Judas’ hand.
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Eilish_Maura
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Lots of things have been taught over the centuries - like don’t let the host touch your teeth.
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Freshman88
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That’s just dandy Eilish
, now back to the discussion at hand…
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Joannm
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I have often dipped some piece of food into something and handed it off to someone. The resturant we often go to has dipping oil for bread. You don’t dip the entire piece in, You dip part of it and can hand it off to someone via the dry part.
Not a good argument I think.
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Brennan_Doherty
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The basic argument is that there has been and is a tradition where the host placed a symbolic morsel of food in the mouth of the guests. Also that it is perfectly reasonable to think that Jesus also did this when he dipped the bread into the wine. Do you have some strong counter argument that says Jesus must have placed the bread dipped in the wine into Judas’ hand? The overall point being that we don’t know for sure how Holy Communion was distributed at the Last Supper and we certainly can’t rule out that it wasn’t placed in the hands of the Apostles.
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Eilish_Maura
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It may be an acceptable theory but it is not more than that.
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Brennan_Doherty
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And so is saying that Jesus gave Holy Communion to the Apostles on their hand–a theory.
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Semper_Fi_1
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I wonder how Jesus did it, that is giving communion to twelve people at the last supper without EMHCs, female altar servers, etc. He MUST’VE been God to accomplish that. It had to have taken forever to give Communion to twelve people.
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Eilish_Maura
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At least it is one that does not start out as the way to spot the one who will betray him.
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AJV
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I don’t like CITH, but it would be good to see a citation for the alleged custom.
Surely the majority of the Fathers say that the bread dipped and given to Judas was NOT the Holy Communion?
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Brennan_Doherty
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Obviously, it was a tradition that preceded the Last Supper. Jesus didn’t just make it up on the spot to point out Judas.
But at least communion on the tongue didn’t gain its indult through the disobedience of Bishops (in modern times).
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Brother_John
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For the past several years, I found it novel when someone hit their knees and received Communion on the tongue while everyone else was standing/in hand.
After a couple of months at CAF though, now I unfortunately see it as a form of defiance toward today’s Catholic Church.
Kinda disappointing
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stmaria
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Do you find kneeling to receive Christ offensive?For the past several years, I found it novel when** someone hit their knees **and received Communion on the tongue while everyone else was standing/in hand. After a couple of months at CAF though, now I unfortunately see it as a form of defiance toward today’s Catholic Church.
Kinda disappointing
'The Spirit of the Liturgy" Cardinal Ratzinger "There are groups, of no small influence, who are trying to talk us out of kneeling. "The kneeling of Christians is not a form of inculturation into existing customs. It is quite the opposite, an expression of Christian culture, which transforms the existing culture through a new and deeper knowledge and experience of God.
Kneeling does not come from any culture – it comes from the Bible and its knowledge of God . . . The Christian Liturgy is a cosmic Liturgy precisely because it bends the knee before the crucified and exalted Lord. Here is the center of authentic culture - the culture of truth. The humble gesture by which we fall at the feet of the Lord inserts us into the true path of life of the cosmos."…
Also in his book The Spirit of the Liturgy he recalls a story from the sayings of the Desert Fathers. When God once compelled the devil to show himself to Abba Apollo, what was most striking about his hideous and emaciated frame was that he had no knees. **The inability to kneel is seen as the very essence of the diabolical." **
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