Bishop Carlson and the Saginaw Diocese

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Bishop Robert Carlson of Saginaw Michigan hosted a diocesan seminar on evangelization recently. One aspect of his ministry in former dioceses was to crreate a toll free number for “mad” Catholics to call.

In the past, this phone was monitored by an ordained deacon, who would be able to listen and make some response to those who called in.

He stopped short of saying that he would implement such a system in his current assignment.
 
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saggal:
Well, seeing as Fr. Donner wore a tie in lieu of the collar, perhaps those with a similar inclination felt it was a way of honoring him.

I have no idea if he was laid out in a collar.

Fr. Donner didn’t wear a collar for Bishop Untener’s funeral, where he played the organ, or for Bishop Carlson’s installation, where he performed as well.

I don’t get eschewing the collar personally – I don’t think priests have to wear it 24/7/365, but to completely drop it seems odd to me.

Now, before I get flamed, I’m not questioning devotion or anything like that – I’m simply stating my opinion.
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It seems that the whole idea is to blur the distinction between clerics and laity. I have visited that website which sells medieval outfits, and have been sorely tempted by the Augustinian friar robes. Guys wearing nuns habits has already been done in Hollywood.
 
Of course, discussion of (what is deemed) appropriate attire might also expand to that of other extraordinary ministers, acolytes, choir, organist, and even congregation.

At Mass, do we look at our finest clergy with a concerned eye if we realize that - underneath their “Godly Gowns” (as I’ve heard some within particularly disrepectful dioceses coin sacred attire) - they have only jeans and t-shirt?

I recall the days of my youth, days that are too distant for many in Mid-Michigan, when it was expected of the altar servers (or acolytes) to be wearing black dress slacks, a white shirt, and tie beneath the cassock and serplice.

And, indeed, the organist and choir was fitted in the same!

Nowadays many organists are deemed “performance oriented” (and not pastoral) if they wear their cassocks, and other regalia, beyond the highest of high holy days or seasons.

Fitting choirs in anything other than “baptismal albs of white” is considered liturgical disrespect, abuse, and pomp by those brainwashed many (not only the modern-day liturgist, but also the “rock-n-roller” afraid and uneducated in the great chants and musics of our tradition).

We bless (and shame) God by our words, actions, gestures, thoughts, and even attire.

How wonderful if we could give in glory in all we do, and if the perpetual need for being “one of the laity” or “one uplifted by the nature of being together” could be dismissed from our baby-boomer mindset.
 
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Of course, discussion of (what is deemed) appropriate attire might also expand to that of other extraordinary ministers, acolytes, choir, organist, and even congregation.

At Mass, do we look at our finest clergy with a concerned eye if we realize that - underneath their “Godly Gowns” (as I’ve heard some within particularly disrepectful dioceses coin sacred attire) - they have only jeans and t-shirt?

I recall the days of my youth, days that are too distant for many in Mid-Michigan, when it was expected of the altar servers (or acolytes) to be wearing black dress slacks, a white shirt, and tie beneath the cassock and serplice.

And, indeed, the organist and choir was fitted in the same!

Nowadays many organists are deemed “performance oriented” (and not pastoral) if they wear their cassocks, and other regalia, beyond the highest of high holy days or seasons.

Fitting choirs in anything other than “baptismal albs of white” is considered liturgical disrespect, abuse, and pomp by those brainwashed many (not only the modern-day liturgist, but also the “rock-n-roller” afraid and uneducated in the great chants and musics of our tradition).

We bless (and shame) God by our words, actions, gestures, thoughts, and even attire.

How wonderful if we could give in glory in all we do, and if the perpetual need for being “one of the laity” or “one uplifted by the nature of being together” could be dismissed from our baby-boomer mindset.
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We should be in albs, thats the dress proper to the baptized faithful…not a choir gown.
 
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frommi:
We should be in albs, thats the dress proper to the baptized faithful…not a choir gown.
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If one patiently and cautiously reads my original posting, which I indeed hope is the case, it will be evident that “choir gown” is never once mentioned.

Choir gowns, academic regalia, and stoles are items used by other denominations craving the liturgy that the Roman Catholic Church, by its very nature and rites, has so richly earned.

Gowns are for university graduation ceremonies. The end.

A cassocks (of black) and serplice (of white, or a slightly “yellowed” white) indeed remind us of this same baptismal promise, and serve many purposes beyond simply baptism. Do consider the use of the cassock - alone - on Good Friday and Holy Saturday, or for some funeral vigils (in some ethnic or historic parishes that REALLY have not fully realized parts of the liturgical renewal) where the color of Black (which is really allowed, but not preferred by the instructions) is considered suitable for ministers.

I would have to caution all members (quick to react) to read, with more care, the postings. Before responding so quickly and tersely, with such a reactionary and one-sided, agenda-oriented claims, please consider placing a bit more scholarship and pastoral judgment behind the comments made.
 
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*We should be in albs, thats the dress proper to the baptized faithful…not a choir gown. *
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nsorg-dupr:
If one patiently and cautiously reads my original posting, which I indeed hope is the case, it will be evident that “choir gown” is never once mentioned.
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Yes, right after reading that reply, I went back to see exactly what you had said, and could not find anything about “choir gowns”.
Before responding so quickly and tersely, with such a reactionary and one-sided, agenda-oriented claims, please consider placing a bit more scholarship and pastoral judgment behind the comments made.
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With all the “scholarship and pastoral judgement” that I can possibly muster, I say: :yup:

God Bless, Beth
 
now we have 24 seminarians, can you believe that? No wonder they loved Bishop Carlson.😉
 
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