Bishop Carlson's Letter on the Liturgy

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I heard that Bishop Carlson sent a letter to everyone in the Diocese of Saginaw about the liturgy and changes that need to be made at that local church.

Does any one know how I can get a copy of this letter (I’m curious to see what it said) and I’d also like to hear how it is being received in the diocese

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Here is the text of Bishop carlson’s letter of June 4th. Other related information can be found on the diocese’s website.

"Dear Fathers, Deacons, Pastoral Administrators, and Faithful of the Diocese:
Since my installation as your bishop more than one year ago, I’ve had the privilege to celebrate liturgy with many of you and have come to know you as a people of deep faith for the Gospel and a strong commitment to excellence in liturgy…(more)

saginaw.org/liturgy/girmletter
 
Thanks for the link.

This seems pretty straight forward. But I could see how it may cause some “unrest.” How has the implimentation gone so far?
 
The direction that Bishop Carlson has taken in Michigan is encouraging. The frequent pleas from those in the Saginaw Diocese for relief from the abuses that have been occurring prior to Bishop Carlson have apparently been answered. I wish that other Catholic Bishops were more concerned with correcting the abuses that occur than they appear to be in allowing them to continue for fear of causing unrest in the pews.

There are those in the pews who truely do not know what a reverent mass looks like because they have never participated in such a mass and there are those who have actively participated in modifying the mass to conform to their own agenda(s). I feel sorry for those who are ignorant of what the mass can be and I have less charitable feelings for those who have been a party to the abuses that we find in many parishes today.

Let’s continue to pray for strong orthodox clergy. I miss the reverence and respect that we have lost.
 
Has anyone seen the letter to the priest’s that is refered to below (from the Bishop’s letter on the Liturgy:

“In a previous May 3, 2006 letter to priests, deacons, and pastoral administrators, I already have directed the GIRM and Apostolic Letter Redemptionis Sacramentum [April 2004] be followed regarding the preaching of homilies at Mass and the recipe used for substantial bread for the Holy Eucharist as of June 25, 2006.”

I’d be interested in what the approved recipes for the bread for the Holy Eucharist is. I’ve been to two parished since June 25th that are using some sort of crumbly wheat bread. One of those parishes is the Cathedral. I was wondering if there is an approved recipe of this type (the crumbly bread)? Does anyone know?
 
Looks like he is directing everyone stand during Communion until all have received. I’m disappointed.
 
Elzee said:
Looks like he is directing everyone stand during Communion until all have received. I’m disappointed.
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I must have missed that, where do you see it? I only could find the ‘standing while receiving’ part.
 
St. Agnes in Sanford is the only Church that does that but at St. Stan’s in Bay City don’t do that, an you tell me why they don’t do it like my Parish does?:banghead:
 
8640 said:
Why are you disappointed?
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I am not in that diocese, but I was very disappointed also.

Usually the reason given is so that there is unity in posture.

Rarely does one respond that we had a unity in posture - kneeling!!

Rarely does one respond that it is about Him, not about us.

At least we know that posture can not be mandated… and in my home parish the nearly 100% who liked the change to standing had been reduced to less than 50%. Those who seem to like change for change sake are still standing, but seem to be “shifting their weight” a lot more … one can only hope.

if “at His name every knee will bend and every head will bow…” how much more so in His Real Presence.??

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Andrewcarey said:
St. Agnes in Sanford is the only Church that does that but at St. Stan’s in Bay City don’t do that, an you tell me why they don’t do it like my Parish does?:banghead:
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Sacred Heart in Gladwin has also begun to do this, oh for about 3-4 weeks…new (good) priest there!

Oh I should mention they started kneeling, too!! That’s the new part. Last w/e I noticed the new silver(?) chalices for the Precious Blood of Jesus.
 
Does that mean they using gold and host and doing things right?
ekindermann said:
Sacred Heart in Gladwin has also begun to do this, oh for about 3-4 weeks…new (good) priest there!

Oh I should mention they started kneeling, too!! That’s the new part. Last w/e I noticed the new silver(?) chalices for the Precious Blood of Jesus.
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What were they using before they starting to use host? My parents went there for wedding and they didn’t like it at all because the way they were using for communion and the music.
ekindermann said:
The priest’s chalice appears gold and the others silver. Yes they use a host.👍
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Elzee said:
Looks like he is directing everyone stand during Communion until all have received. I’m disappointed.
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I don’t really have a problem standing after receiving Holy Communion. That time period is for silent prayer and reflection anyway, and is more of a private moment so to speak. I can however understand why many would want to kneel though.

On the bright side they are directed to genuflect to the Tabernacle, bow during the Creed, were given a set of options for prayer posture during the Our Father, which is something I’ve never seen anywhere, good show!!!👍 , given an instruction on the sign of peace and to kneel during the consecration. It also had the part that most people didn’t know about bowing your head at the name of Jesus and bows during incensing.

It looks like a pretty good set of guidelines to me and something that perhaps could serve as a guide for the rest of the United States.

It is a good start anyway.👍 👍
 
Andrewcarey said:
What were they using before they starting to use host? My parents went there for wedding and they didn’t like it at all because the way they were using for communion and the music.
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yes it was pretty bad. They were using the honey baked bread recipe, as were many in the diocese. The music still needs work. But that’s more differences in taste I guess.
 
Have you ever been to St. Stan’s in Bay City? It’s the greatest Church ever, the music, organ,homily, almost everything is good (except for the sacraments and Holy Thursday stuff), I just love Fr. Bill Rutkowski, he’s the greatest priest.
There was one Church we were at (just my mom, my sister and I) went to the Church in Saginaw county did use wine (which I was surprise) but they only used waffle but the priest was ok.
BTW (By the way), have my whole family met you before? I’m not sure if we did or not.
ekindermann said:
yes it was pretty bad. They were using the honey baked bread recipe, as were many in the diocese. The music still needs work. But that’s more differences in taste I guess.
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I attended St. Mary Cathedral tonight because I could not get to my parish masses this morning. I presumed that it was OK to go back there because Bishop Carlson had mandated the proper matter for communion be used effective in June of this year. The pastor began by providing a lesson on the GIRM, which consisted of him reading a two-year old message from the previous bishop regarding the proper posture for receiving communion. A retired priest said the “mass,” which was the same horrific show they have always put on there, including the obligatory invalid matter. My children and I ducked out the back while the rest of the folks went up to communion. Incidentally, my daughter infomed me that Nouvel, the Saginaw Catholic high school, also has invalid matter at their liturgies. The Nouvel school building adjoins the diocessan offices, and their liturgies take place in the diocessan center. I would have thought that the Bishop could enforce the liturgical guidelines at his cathedral and diocessan center. Apparently that is not the case.
 
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