Bishop Gumbleton says that Church teaching on the subject of homosexuality is “evil”

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Bishop Gumbleton says that Church teaching on the subject of homosexuality is “evil” in this recent homily.
If we look at ourselves individually, as a church family, as a nation, might we discover ways in which we do the very thing that Jesus got angry about? Excluding people? I have a lot of contacts because I’ve sort of developed a ministry with homosexual people – gay men, lesbian women. It is difficult for them to find what they call a “gay friendly” church, because so many of the Christian, supposedly Christian churches, push them away, even say horrible things about them like they’re an abomination. Or even as our own church document says they’re disordered, “intrinsically disordered.” How evil. We have to change our attitude if we’re going to be like Jesus.
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http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/peace/gumb021206.htm
 
Isn’t all sin considered “intrinsically disordered?” I think the Bishop is right in that we shouldn’t exclude people who have SSA, but to just say that because they do that it’s OK for them to live a lifestyle that’s contrary to God’s law (they’re having sex outside of marriage, for one thing) puts homosexuals higher than the rest of us. If anything, it’s insulting to them, saying that they are incapable of avoiding sin, so therefore they will be held to a lower standard than the rest of us. We’re all guilty of mortal sin, to exclude a few sinners is wrong, but it mortal sin should never be celebrated. Bishops are to be shepherds of God’s flock–all Bishop Gumbleton is doing is putting his flock’s souls at risk. Shame on him!
 
What a sad state he’s in. He needs to read his Catechism again…
 
Bishop Gumbleton says that Church teaching on the subject of homosexuality is “evil” in this recent homily.
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At least Bishop Gumbleton is good at communicating with the modern world, and attracting lots of media attention.

If the media is still interested in our bishops, then they are clearly still interested in our church.
 
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Libero:
At least Bishop Gumbleton is good at communicating with the modern world, and attracting lots of media attention.

If the media is still interested in our bishops, then they are clearly still interested in our church.
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Interested in what respect? The media reports on a lot of things. It doesn’t mean that they support or oppose what they report; it’s just apparently newsworthy.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
 
Bishop Gumbleton says that Church teaching on the subject of homosexuality is “evil” in this recent homily.
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This article has virtually nothing to do with homosexuality, he has a very real message, and one that should be listened to. The church should welcome all - but it does not. The bishop brings up a very real point.
I will go on record and call this bishop an idiot. Doesn’t the Bible talk about those who call evil, good, and call good, evil. This man fits the bill.
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And now I am going to be a hypocrite. I was apalled at this remark - it is so unbelievably rude. I am disgusted at this, where is your love? There is absolutely no respect here, for a man, who has devoted his entire life to God, and you call him an idiot - that is truly shocking. I had a huge rant earlier at how nobody on these forums is kind, about how we are all mean (myself included) and I am being proven right straight away…
 
Interesting. I do beleive that trying to impose your beleifs on others is a reprehensible thing to do. I think the question is where to draw the line. Talking, however ugly the language may be, is not a crime. I think harassing or trying to impose your lifestyle on another is stepping over that line.
 
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irenaeus1:
I will go on record and call this bishop an idiot. Doesn’t the Bible talk about those who call evil, good, and call good, evil. This man fits the bill.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
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I will go on record and say that pretty soon a moderator will erase your post as “uncharitable” to a public figure who deserves respect.

Only publically, would I tend to agree with the mod, and respectfully choose to totally ignore anything the tired, I mean retired, bishop has to say. He has a history of rubbing the grain of Catholic Truth the wrong way.

God will not ignore him… so perhaps we can.:yawn:
(but, yes he is seriously, perhaps even sinfully, wrong )
 
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MrS:
I will go on record and say that pretty soon a moderator will erase your post as “uncharitable” to a public figure who deserves respect.

Only publically, would I tend to agree with the mod, and respectfully choose to totally ignore anything the tired, I mean retired, bishop has to say. He has a history of rubbing the grain of Catholic Truth the wrong way.

God will not ignore him… so perhaps we can.:yawn:
(but, yes he is seriously, perhaps even sinfully, wrong )
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I for one wish that the moderator would not allow one post about this Bishop. He makes me grind my teeth.
 
I for one wish that the moderator would not allow one post about this Bishop. He makes me grind my teeth.
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Yes, it appears everyone gets a little on edge when topics about this bishop arise… 😛 😃
 
The church attitude about homosexuality is one that falls in the general area of taboos.

A 31-y-o “single” man recently committed suicide in my home town.

I surely don’t know about that man, there may have been some other reason for his despondency. But, surely we must be able to do better than to drive people to suicide, for whatever reason.

For our scripture says Gal 6:2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so you will fulfill the law of Christ.

Fr. corapi was just talking about mortal sin on tv last night 2/25/06 and he mentioned the conditions, one of which is free consent to sin. He mentioned that a priest can say that an act is intrinsically evil, but cannot say that all the conditions for mortal sin are present in a person; that is up to God.

That is some thing that we should seriously think about in our dealings with someone who has that cross to bear. There, but for the grace of God, go I.
 
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Fr. corapi was just talking about mortal sin on tv last night 2/25/06 and he mentioned the conditions, one of which is free consent to sin. He mentioned that a priest can say that an act is intrinsically evil, but cannot say that all the conditions for mortal sin are present in a person; that is up to God.

That is some thing that we should seriously think about in our dealings with someone who has that cross to bear. There, but for the grace of God, go I.
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Wonderful post its to bad we could not have more Father Corapi threads.
 
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MrS:
I will go on record and say that pretty soon a moderator will erase your post as “uncharitable” to a public figure who deserves respect.

Only publically, would I tend to agree with the mod, and respectfully choose to totally ignore anything the tired, I mean retired, bishop has to say. He has a history of rubbing the grain of Catholic Truth the wrong way.

God will not ignore him… so perhaps we can.:yawn:
(but, yes he is seriously, perhaps even sinfully, wrong )
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Okay. Is it more charitable then to say that the bishop’s teaching is evil? After all, if he can say that the Church’s teaching on homosexuality is evil, then I surely have the right to say that his teaching is evil. He is not teaching in communion with Rome, and in fact, is in direct opposition to the Church’s teaching (obviously), and therefore does not deserve my religious assent.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
 
I think everyone already knows how I feel. I’d probably be accused of being “neutral” and destined for the “hottest places in hell”.:yawn:
 
Unfortunately, since he really doesn’t have anyone looking over his shoulder any more, we can probably expect him to step up these heretical homilies. 😦
 
“Is it pastoral to let them (dissidents) to dance their merry way to hell?” (Father John Corapi).

No way, Jose. We should pray for Bishop Gumbleton. Doesn’t a bishop or a priest get removed from ministry if he speaks heresy from the pulpit? I say that we email Pope Benedict and inform him about this at once.
 
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“Is it pastoral to let them (dissidents) to dance their merry way to hell?” (Father John Corapi).

No way, Jose. We should pray for Bishop Gumbleton. Doesn’t a bishop or a priest get removed from ministry if he speaks heresy from the pulpit? I say that we email Pope Benedict and inform him about this at once.
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The man is now a retired Bishop and Pope Benedict and a million others know of him by now.
 
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