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RNRobert
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I wonder if he’ll scrap the NO Mass?
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Apherius
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No, the Holy Father is not going to abolish the Novus Ordo Mass. That would be contradictory to everything I ever read. Each type of Mass has its place and when celebrated correctly contributes to the Church.
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Ecce_homo_1
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This is scary, I think the author used my Parish as the model for his article, we have no stationary crucifix, only a small one carried in and out, one of those cheesy protestant looking risen Christ’s above the altar instead of the Crucifix showing our Lord’s sacrifice for us. One priest always ends the Mass by telling an awful joke at the end of Mass and everyone laughs, which I never understood what the point of that was. There’s typically no fewer than five rounds of applause for the choir, the childrens choir, the homeschool association, bring the EM’sHC up and give them a round. People reading the newspaper during the homily and consecration etc…“**and in all too many instances priests have found it hard to resist the temptation to be an entertainer, urged on by his congregation’s appreciative laughs and rounds of applause **that are common these days in forward-thinking parishes. God is an afterthought in such places. The tabernacle is off in a side room, usually out of sight, **and the crucifix is portable, carried in at the start of Mass and carried out when it is over **-- and for good reasons: the presence of the Real Presence, the image of Christ dying on the cross make the “worship space” too churchy, which could put a damper on the folksy “I’m okay-you’re okay-God’s okay” spirit of the congregation. In terms of theology the progressives tend to be utilitarian: the issues of a celibate clergy, same-sex marriage, abortion, and euthanasia are difficult and make many people uncomfortable, so the easiest solution to such thorny issues is to sanction them all.”
Anyway, I think the idea of letting Catholics practice both Masses in their home Parishes without the hassle of driving really far to do so is great. I know why the progressives are nervous, they’re afraid people will reject the fluff they are getting at a non-reverent Novus Ordo Mass, and flock to the reverent Tridentine Mass. Let me add that I have no problem with the Novus Ordo if done with reverence, the best Mass I’ve been to was at St. Benedict Church in Richmond VA, they know how to conduct a Novus Ordo Mass correctly. However we all know that at times the “spirit of Vatican II” creates problems. With the TLM there is no “spirit of Trent” causing awful hymns, jokes, newspaper reading, receiving the Eucharist ten different ways, and essentially all uniquely Catholic traditions somehow absent from the Mass like we see many times with the Novus Ordo.
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prv
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70% of Catholics don’t believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist? Wow, that is not too far off my estimate of 90%, which was entirely a guess w/o evidence.
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twf
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prv: Keep in mind that this “70%” statistic is probably based on a general survey of Catholics both practicing and non-practicing. Of course non-practicing Catholics would tend to doubt (or outright reject) the Real Presence of Our Blessed Risen Lord and Savior in the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Altar.
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Ecce_homo_1
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It’s a decent point but I would say that “practicing” Catholics would have to be at 100% to even be considered Catholic in the first place, if one rejects the Real Presence they cease to be Catholic. Maybe a better way to say it is 70% of those polled that identify themselves as Catholics select a heretical protestant teaching on the Real Presence instead of the orthodox Catholic teaching that Jesus is truly present body, blood, soul and divinity within the consecrated Host.prv: Keep in mind that this “70%” statistic is probably based on a general survey of Catholics both practicing and non-practicing. Of course non-practicing Catholics would tend to doubt (or outright reject) the Real Presence of Our Blessed Risen Lord and Savior in the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Altar.
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