Bishop Morlino Sacks Dissident Feminist Pastoral Associate, Elicits Rage from Liberal Community

[mdgspencer]

While the lead story in this article is about this bishop’s current firing of a dissenting pastoral associate, this article goes on to speak of his other efforts to protect his people. This article is at:

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09031814.html

 

[manualman]

Sometimes Lifesite spins things a bit much. This one rings true to me.

I went to the UW-Madison from 1989 to 1993. The Newmann Center on campus was barely recognizable as catholic. For example:

1. Crumbly bread used as hosts. After communion, the polished concrete floor with littered with ‘crumbs!’
2. Every communicant was an EMHC for the guy behind him.
3. “Our Father, our Mother - God, who art in heaven…”
4. “In the name of the Creator, the Redeemer and the Sanctifier…”
5. Female pastoral associate who donned vestments (no stole at least), and stood beside the priest and (unmiked) mouthed the words of consecration at mass. She also lifted the chalice at the Great Amen.
6. Same woman gave homiles about half the time while father sat.
   (Given the timeline, I wonder if this is the same woman, at a new parish??)

You get the idea. That was the kind of LACK of leadership and experimentation run amok present before bishop Morlino got to Madison. He’s likely living a long, slow martyrdom over there.

Pray for him!

 

[stbruno]

It’s funny how God sends messengers to the places that need it the most. God bless Bishop Morlino.

 

[CapIV]

Good to see good bishops

 

[Argh]

I met his excellency Bishop Morlino at the campus parish one Sunday night, St. Peter’s I believe, right on the campus plaza; he gave a great homily and challenged us young men to consider a vocation to the priesthood saying something to the affect of “there are maybe fifty young men here tonight, if two or three aren’t being called…”

I heard, on good authority, that years ago a whole BUNCH of people had to be baptized “again” because they were baptized with gender-inclusive, PC jargon (such as “parent” in place of “Father”) when Bishop Morlino took over.

I believe he also forbade former Bishop Weakland (/spelling) from giving a speech on so-called female ordination.

All in all I wish him the best in his crusade, Madison is so blessed to have him.

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Can we have him in Milwaukee now that Archbishop Dolan is leaving?

 

[peregrinus_WA]

Time to start taking these dissidents to the “woodshed”. How much longer to we have to wait for the start of public proclamations of Excommunications.

 

[Br_Mark]

We are told that we can judge the goodness of something by it’s fruits. In the case of Bishop Morlino, it appears that the “fruit” is highly questionable. The number of Catholics filling the pews of approved catholic parishes are going down while at the same time the numbers are increasing of those who are attending Catholic Cell groups and other alternative Catholic groups not under the authority of Bishop Morlino, which are being served by Catholic Priests; without the permission of Bishop Morlino and under the threath of his wrath.
Several years ago Bishop Morlino’s Cathedral was damaged by fire and the good bishop has managed to turn the catholics in the diocese against him by his actions, so that he can not raise enough money to rebuild the cathedral. Some would say that it’s the economy that is working against rebuilding the cathedral; but why then is it possible that there is the building of a new chapel to house those who are put off by the bishop’s handling of power.

Bishop Morlino has ties to the School of America, but he justifies his connection by saying the School of America has never been found to do any thing wrong. Just throwing out a question here but would you say the death of Archbishop Romero (who Pope John Paul II gave the title “Servant of God”) by Salvadoran soldiers trained by the School of America as questionable if not just out right wrong ?

Why is it that these “highly praised” bishops have connections to right wing groups ?

Just something to think about,

Br Mark, OSB

 

[Corki]

The number of Catholics filling the pews of approved catholic parishes are going down while at the same time the numbers are increasing of those who are attending Catholic Cell groups and other alternative Catholic groups not under the authority of Bishop Morlino, which are being served by Catholic Priests; without the permission of Bishop Morlino and under the threath of his wrath.

And how would those “catholic” cell groups and alternative “catholic” groups spring up and grow if not for the divisive efforts of dissident priests and laymen? No faithful Catholic is going to go to an illicit Mass just because he/she doesn’t like the Bishop. Those priests know they are sinning and deserve all the wrath Bishop Morlino sends their way. Have they completely forgotten thier promise of obedience to their Bishop?

 

[irishpatrick]

The Catholic faith has never been a democracy, and plenty of attempts have been through history. The Bishop is doing what needs to be done, the dissenting Priests and laity are quite possibly placing themselves in spiritual harm.

 

[Br_Mark]

Dear Corki & Irishpatrick,

neither of you have answered the primary question of why these outstanding bishops have ties to right wing groups ?? It is not a matter of disliking a bishop, but a matter of questioning motives and approach to authority. Remember until the resent past a bishop needed the accent of belivers in the diocese. Bishop Morlino operates in a vaccume and does not even consult with his fellow priest or the lay menbers of the diocese.

Br Mark, OSB

 

[maggiemay2u]

We are told that we can judge the goodness of something by it’s fruits. In the case of Bishop Morlino, it appears that the “fruit” is highly questionable. The number of Catholics filling the pews of approved catholic parishes are going down while at the same time the numbers are increasing of those who are attending Catholic Cell groups and other alternative Catholic groups not under the authority of Bishop Morlino, which are being served by Catholic Priests; without the permission of Bishop Morlino and under the threath of his wrath.
Several years ago Bishop Morlino’s Cathedral was damaged by fire and the good bishop has managed to turn the catholics in the diocese against him by his actions, so that he can not raise enough money to rebuild the cathedral. Some would say that it’s the economy that is working against rebuilding the cathedral; but why then is it possible that there is the building of a new chapel to house those who are put off by the bishop’s handling of power.

Sources please

Bishop Morlino has ties to the School of America, but he justifies his connection by saying the School of America has never been found to do any thing wrong. Just throwing out a question here but would you say the death of Archbishop Romero (who Pope John Paul II gave the title “Servant of God”) by Salvadoran soldiers trained by the School of America as questionable if not just out right wrong ?

Why is it that these “highly praised” bishops have connections to right wing groups ?

Just something to think about,

What I think needs examining is the obvious extreme leftist flavor in the post, not to mention the antics of anti Catholic nutballs who insist the Church of Rome is Burger King.
Br Mark, OSB

 

[Corki]

Dear Corki & Irishpatrick,

neither of you have answered the primary question

It’s not the primary question. It’s an attempt to discount the Bishop’s decision in the matter at hand because you question his motives in a totally unrelated area.

of why these outstanding bishops have ties to right wing groups ??

That’s quite a generalization for which you have provided ‘evidence’ (copied almost word for word from a NCR article) on just one bishop. As to why, you would have to ask him.

It is not a matter of disliking a bishop, but a matter of questioning motives and approach to authority.

You can question motives all you want. But that doesn’t give any credibility to priests who are dissident and disobedient or to self-described “feminist” pastoral associates who teach against the Church. The ONLY reason a priest or pastoral employee should disobey the Bishop would be if the Bishop asked him or her to do something sinful or against Church teaching.

Remember until the resent past a bishop needed the accent of belivers in the diocese.

Been reading Father McBrien, haven’t you? I saw that same article when looking for other information on the Kolpack matter. And if you read a little further down the page,you would see that one of the main reasons Bishops are no longer chosen by assent was the rise of heretical Bishops popularly chosen.

Bishop Morlino operates in a vaccume and does not even consult with his fellow priest or the lay menbers of the diocese.

Again, a generalization. There are some matters where consultation might not be advisable. Or it might just be that there isn’t as much consultation (or with the same “in crowd”) as in the past. I am in a parish where the former pastor not only consulted with the parishioners, he abbrogated a lot of decision making to them. New pastor, more in control, doesn’t pass the buck on decisions, and the parishioners don’t feel they are being consulted anymore. But it is the new pastor who is acting properly while the old one acted wrongly.

And according to the NCR articles, the whole Kolpack investigation came about because of complaints the diocese received about her. So he must be listening to someone.

 

[maggiemay2u]

Dear Corki & Irishpatrick,

neither of you have answered the primary question of why these outstanding bishops have ties to right wing groups ?? It is not a matter of disliking a bishop, but a matter of questioning motives and approach to authority. Remember until the resent past a bishop needed the accent of belivers in the diocese. Bishop Morlino operates in a vaccume and does not even consult with his fellow priest or the lay menbers of the diocese.

Br Mark, OSB

The reason, perhaps, is because it appears you are attempting to hijack the thread. If you wish to discuss your beliefs and allegations, start a thread re: right wing bishops. This thread deals with a dissident employee who failed to comply with Catholic (Roman Catholic, that is) teaching and was dismissed…

 

[JReducation]

While it is true that many of us want to protect the Church and see the right thing done, it is also true that our desire to be faithful must include our tradion of respect for all people, especially for clergy and religious.

The same holds true to what we say about Bishop Morino. We may disagree or question his relationship with the School of the Americas or the local YMCA, but I have to be honest and say that I cannot bring myself to post about him in a way that sounds as if I have little respect for him. He is still a bishop, a successor to the Apostles.

I’m always reminded by something that our holy father Francis wrote into our rule and his last testament. We were commanded to be humble before bishops, priests, deacons and religious. We were to be humble before all men, but we were to show a special humility toward this group of people, because of what they are and what they represent to the Church.

Just as I have nothing but the highest respect and affection for the Benedictine monks, because they played such an important role in the history of the Church and of my Franciscan family, I also have a respect and affection for the clergy and other religious because of the role they have played in the Church and salvation history.

Are we to be blind in order to be humble? No. That is not the same thing. Humility and obedience are always rational, not thoughtless.

Are we to be arrogant and dismissive toward religious and clergy? No. Disagreement and hostility are not the same thing. Hostiity toward an ordained or consecrated person, regardless of how much we may believe that they are in error, is unjustifiable. Even in error, the consecrated person or ordained person continues to be in an intimate and more intense relationship with the Father than the average person.

My conclusion, let’s look at the facts of the article and be truly traditional in showing respect for religious and clergy.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Lepanto]

We are told that we can judge the goodness of something by it’s fruits. In the case of Bishop Morlino, it appears that the “fruit” is highly questionable. The number of Catholics filling the pews of approved catholic parishes are going down while at the same time the numbers are increasing of those who are attending Catholic Cell groups and other alternative Catholic groups not under the authority of Bishop Morlino, which are being served by Catholic Priests; without the permission of Bishop Morlino and under the threath of his wrath.
Several years ago Bishop Morlino’s Cathedral was damaged by fire and the good bishop has managed to turn the catholics in the diocese against him by his actions, so that he can not raise enough money to rebuild the cathedral. Some would say that it’s the economy that is working against rebuilding the cathedral; but why then is it possible that there is the building of a new chapel to house those who are put off by the bishop’s handling of power.

Bishop Morlino has ties to the School of America, but he justifies his connection by saying the School of America has never been found to do any thing wrong. Just throwing out a question here but would you say the death of Archbishop Romero (who Pope John Paul II gave the title “Servant of God”) by Salvadoran soldiers trained by the School of America as questionable if not just out right wrong ?

Why is it that these “highly praised” bishops have connections to right wing groups ?

Just something to think about,

Br Mark, OSB

Thank goodness you are not an official spokesman for the Benedictine Order.

Father Benedict, as I recall, highly exalted the virtues of obedience and humility.

 

[Lepanto]

Whether we agree or not, he is a Benedictine Monk, a consecrated religioius.

How can we know this for sure? This is the Internet, after all.

 

[JReducation]

Let us focus on the issue while preserving the necessary respect for those who are ordained or consecrated religious. A proper dialogue and even disagreement should never exclude the respect that religious and clergy deserve in the manner that we speak to them or anyone else for that matter.

The perfection of charity is part of our Catholic Tradition.

Fraternally,

JR

 

[DonHudzinski]

We are told that we can judge the goodness of something by it’s fruits. In the case of Bishop Morlino, it appears that the “fruit” is highly questionable. The number of Catholics filling the pews of approved catholic parishes are going down while at the same time the numbers are increasing of those who are attending Catholic Cell groups and other alternative Catholic groups not under the authority of Bishop Morlino, which are being served by Catholic Priests; without the permission of Bishop Morlino and under the threath of his wrath.
Several years ago Bishop Morlino’s Cathedral was damaged by fire and the good bishop has managed to turn the catholics in the diocese against him by his actions, so that he can not raise enough money to rebuild the cathedral. Some would say that it’s the economy that is working against rebuilding the cathedral; but why then is it possible that there is the building of a new chapel to house those who are put off by the bishop’s handling of power.

Bishop Morlino has ties to the School of America, but he justifies his connection by saying the School of America has never been found to do any thing wrong. Just throwing out a question here but would you say the death of Archbishop Romero (who Pope John Paul II gave the title “Servant of God”) by Salvadoran soldiers trained by the School of America as questionable if not just out right wrong ?

Why is it that these “highly praised” bishops have connections to right wing groups ?

Just something to think about,

Br Mark, OSB

I am not going to answer your question, also, but I am a member of the Diocese of Madison and I know many in the diocese and we appreciate our bishop. Therefore, I question your comments and that you are in good faith. Numbers we need not, but people who speak the truth.

 

[JReducation]

How can we know this for sure? This is the Internet, after all.

It is always better to err on the side of charity and respect. Let me give you one hypothetical idea. When we speak to someone on these forums who presents as a consecrated religioius or ordained cleric and we assume a tone that is disrespectful. hostile toward the person, or dismissive toward the person’s state in life, whether we can confirm it or not, we are letting the world know that we have minimal regard for the consecrated person or the ordained person. This may not be the case at all, but that’s the way that we come across. Is that how we want to come across?

We communicate that we feel entitled to be hostie to the ordained cleric or the consecrated religious. We really send a message about our attitude toward those who are ordained or consecrated by vows. The medium becomes a message of its own.

I am reminded of the begger that Francis met on the road. Francis first turned away in disgust. Then thought better and returned. He kissed the begger on the lips and gave him alms. When he turned around he realized that it was no ordinary begger, but Christ himself.

I’m also remainded of St Benedict who bound his monks to offer hospitality to all who came to the abbey, becaue it was Christ at the door. Whether it was truly Christ or a thief, did not matter to Benedict. The point is that as long as there was a chance that this was Christ, the monks could not risk denying him, because he was not clearly visible.

The same happens when you meet a Brother, Sister, Deacon or Priest on the forums. Like Francis and Benedict, we cannot risk and bypass the opportunity to show others our respect for the consecrated person or the ordained person.

That is why Francis demanded of his brothers and sisters in all three orders that we venerate religious and clerics, regardless of the state of their soul or even their heresy. They continued to be consecrated religious or ordained men. Some were both.

This is certainly one way that the laity can help promote vocations to the religious life and to the ordained ministry, by showing the younger generation how special these men and women are to our faith tradition.

I hope this helps.

Fraternally,

JR

 

[BSHoop96]

We are told that we can judge the goodness of something by it’s fruits. In the case of Bishop Morlino, it appears that the “fruit” is highly questionable. The number of Catholics filling the pews of approved catholic parishes are going down while at the same time the numbers are increasing of those who are attending Catholic Cell groups and other alternative Catholic groups not under the authority of Bishop Morlino, which are being served by Catholic Priests; without the permission of Bishop Morlino and under the threath of his wrath. Several years ago Bishop Morlino’s Cathedral was damaged by fire and the good bishop has managed to turn the catholics in the diocese against him by his actions, so that he can not raise enough money to rebuild the cathedral. Some would say that it’s the economy that is working against rebuilding the cathedral; but why then is it possible that there is the building of a new chapel to house those who are put off by the bishop’s handling of power.

Bishop Morlino has ties to the School of America, but he justifies his connection by saying the School of America has never been found to do any thing wrong. Just throwing out a question here but would you say the death of Archbishop Romero (who Pope John Paul II gave the title “Servant of God”) by Salvadoran soldiers trained by the School of America as questionable if not just out right wrong ?

Why is it that these “highly praised” bishops have connections to right wing groups ?

Just something to think about,

Br Mark, OSB

Your reasoning here simply astounds me. Because people don’t want to follow the correct teaching of the Church and leave, thereby reducing the number of people in the pews, leads you to the conclusion that the Bishiop is wrong and the fruits are bad?? So is moral relativism okay as long as the pews are full regardless of what they believe??? Unbelievable!