Bishop Morlino warns dissenters to stop — or else

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JReducation said:
That’s not just law for your diocese. That’s law for the USA. Bishops and pastors can dispense from that rule, which is a different story. But they’re not encouraged to do so.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, FFV 🙂
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I stand corrected… I guess in this diocese, it is not allowable to dispense from that rule… 🙂
 
You have cancer that is growing, but the good news is that it is treatable, and eventually curable! So you go to the doctor in town that offers the treatments to cure it and relief from the pain.

Problem is, the doctor is not the jolly guy you think he should be. He can be rather severe at times and not quick to pick up on your emotional needs. You want to talk sports, and rather prefer to have nurses handle some of the tasks, but this doctor doesn’t talk sports, and insists on doing everything himself. His office is not exactly the easier going atmosphere you think it should be.

You decide that you don’t like treatment from this doctor and will change. So, do you go to another doctor for treatment? HAHAHA!! No! Of course not! The only thing you can do is to give up the treatments altogether! So instead, you simply go to a store and pick up some painkillers every week and leave it at that. That’s all you need anyway!
I will probably be attacked to no end about being totally unfeeling, but I call male bovine poo on some of the statements made by the parishioners who left the church entirely and went instead to protestant churches and still they ‘they’re catholic’.

I can understand someone who leaves a particular parish and moves to another one. I’ve done that myself before. But throwing away the Sacraments (you will not get them in ANY protestant church) because a priest hurt your feelings is about the most petty thing I could possibly imagine. They either:

A. Think that soothing their sensibilities is worth throwing away the Body and Blood of Christ for, or,
B. Don’t believe in the Sacraments anyway, so there is nothing really being ‘thrown away’, ie, they see no difference in protestant vs. Catholic Faith.

So, we are left with either grotesque sin or willful ignorance of the very Faith they earlier claimed to profess.

I don’t see how either can be excused.
 
superamazingman said:
Another thing to keep in mind: less than 40% of the parish doesn’t like these priests. That’s means the majority of them are in support of the priests! They are happy with them, and consider them a Godsend. That’s what the news doesn’t tell you.
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hmm… I am not sure of the statistics, but simply because more than 60% of the parishioners are not protesting doesn’t mean that more than 60% of parishioners consider the priests to be a Godsend. A significant portion may simply be acceding to the plan of the bishop. That is what I would do in such a situation.
 
JReducation said:
That’s not just law for your diocese. That’s law for the USA. Bishops and pastors can dispense from that rule, which is a different story. But they’re not encouraged to do so.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, FFV 🙂
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What a horrible dispensation!
 
Dirt said:
It is time to clean house. 50 years of “spirit of Vatican II” theology has left many Parishes and Diocese lacking in orthodoxy. The emphasis on greater laity control within Parishes has lead to a Protestantizing of Parish structure to the point where the Priest finds Himself asking permission to be a Priest! This must stop and stop now. Our Holy Father is leading by example and Thanks be to God some Bishops are following suit. Those who object and leave were not with us to begin with. They need our Prayers to return to the True Faith. And the reformers need our Prayers for the strength to continue the housecleaning. We are talking about eternal Souls, not feelings. The Church, Her Bishops and Priests are responsible to lead us on the path of Salvation, not the path of “feel good”!
I for one applaud Bishop Morlino and Pray that His example will catch fire across the entire US. Stand your ground Bishop Morlino, our Prayers are with you.

Second Epistle Of Saint Paul To Timothy, Ch 4
“[1] I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming, and his kingdom: [2] Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. [3] For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: [4] And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables. [5] But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill thy ministry. Be sober.”

Scripture from drbo.org/index.htm
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Couldn’t have said it better myself, it’s time to clean house!!
 
YoungTradCath said:
What a horrible dispensation!
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It depends on the situation. That’s why the law is not inflexible. You can and you do dispense with it for prelates, bishops, royalty and people like that. Cardinal Ratzinger delivered a eulogy at Pope John Paul’s funeral in place of a homily. Most people were so caught in the emotion that they did not realize that it was not really a homily but a eulogy.

I recently attended a funeral for a very beloved bishop. We came from all over the East Coast and the Caribbean. The homily was very loaded with the bishop’s work for the Church and his love for God’s people.

In both of those cases above, it’s very appropriate. These are very public figures. If it’s my funeral, there is no need for a eulogy. I haven’t done much for anyone, especially the Church.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
jwinch2 said:
Allowing a eulogy is a horrible dispensation?
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Yes! I want no such business in my funeral Mass. I want a simple, short homily consisting of, “Please pray for his and other souls in purgatory.” And I want nothing to detract from that.
 
YoungTradCath said:
Yes! I want no such business in my funeral Mass. I want a simple, short homily consisting of, “Please pray for his and other souls in purgatory.” And I want nothing to detract from that.
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Just because that is what you want at you funeral Mass, does not mean that others are wrong for having different wishes if it is allowed by the Bishop and the Pastor. Nor does it make it horrible. As brother JR mentioned, there can be good reasons why there might be a eulogy at a funeral Mass. He mentioned bishops and popes, but there are many members of the laity who have made a wonderful impact in the lives of others as well. If it isn’t allowed, that is one thing. But if it is, it does not make those who choose to do it wrong.
 
I thought I’d just add one more thought. I don’t know these three men at all. But there is something to be said about a joyful spirit in a parish. I believe this is a reason that people often prefer to have religious run their parishes. Religious communities bring a sense of family, because the community is a family. With that, there is a sense of joy that draws people. There are many diocesan priests who also trigger a sense of joy in their parishes, because they are very joyful people. I have a good friend who’s a diocesan priest and pastor. He has one of the most joyful parishes that I have ever seen. He’s a very joyful person. He rarely frowns and when there is a crisis, he rarely scowls or panics. He’s very rational and just deals with it one piece at a time. He has a full parish.
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Fraternally,
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Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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I’m not sure if joy is related to diocesan priests or religious running a parish. I’ve been in both, and it’s been mixed depending.

It makes me wonder though…How many Catholics get too attached to their priests or pastor? I saw that happen in my hometown, the pastor of many years got sick and had to leave, and people were so rude to the new priest.
 
Good for the Bishop. The parishioners withheld donations over the arrival of the new priests? If they actually did this because they didn’t like the priests, what a load of spoiled brats. And then they have the nerve to run crying to the Bishop when the priests restrict altar service to boys only, when they are well within their right to. You’d think they would have maybe skimmed over the actual teachings of the Church before they complained.

This was probably my favorite line: “Extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion
have no “right” to administer Holy Communion at all—whether within the Holy Mass
or outside of it.”
:clapping:
 
jwinch2 said:
Just because that is what you want at you funeral Mass, does not mean that others are wrong for having different wishes if it is allowed by the Bishop and the Pastor. Nor does it make it horrible. As brother JR mentioned, there can be good reasons why there might be a eulogy at a funeral Mass. He mentioned bishops and popes, but there are many members of the laity who have made a wonderful impact in the lives of others as well. If it isn’t allowed, that is one thing. But if it is, it does not make those who choose to do it wrong.
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A funeral mass has two purposes, to pray for the deceased and to console the living. There are special situations when it is appropriate to speak about the life of the deceased, because it consoles the living. That’s why the rule is not a doctrine or rigidly applied.
Kerry77 said:
I’m not sure if joy is related to diocesan priests or religious running a parish. I’ve been in both, and it’s been mixed depending.
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There is a sense of joy when there is a real sense of family.

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It makes me wonder though…How many Catholics get too attached to their priests or pastor? I saw that happen in my hometown, the pastor of many years got sick and had to leave, and people were so rude to the new priest.

Attachment is pretty normal. Look at kids, teachers and parents at a school. There are settings where people interact at a deeper level than a business, such as a school, parish, patient-doctor relationship and when there is a change, there is a sense of loss. Loss is often accompanied by anger.

Unfortunately, we direct our anger at the wrong person. In the case that you mention, it’s the new guy. Misdirected anger, while it is understandable, it not acceptable. People have to identify it and redirect it into something constructive.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
JReducation said:
Was she trying to drive home the point that the parishioners are being silly?

Really, if they moved confession to 5:30 am, that’s unreasonable. If they make confession available at 5:30 am and later in the day, there is nothing to complain about. It’s the priest who has to get up early, not the parishioners.

Given that it’s 5:30 in a state where winters are long and cold, I imagine that one priest gets up. There would not be a big demand for confessions on a dark cold January morning in Wisconsin.

If anyone can gripe, it would be the poor guy who is assigned to get up that week. People make issues where there are none.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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Br JR, I wrote that. They have confession for an hour before EVERY mass, and they have a mass at 6:30 AM so people can go to mass before they go to work. Some people do that. This means that they have confession at 5:30 AM (!) in addition to having it also later in the day, because they also have an 8AM mass every weekday, if I remember right (I read it the other day). That’s a lot of opportunities for confession. At least they can’t complain about that.

I don’t know what the parishioners are upset about, unless it’s some foggy expectations they have that aren’t really in church teaching…or as you say, they’re just wishing they had the old pastor back. We see that here sometimes. People can get very attached.
 
JReducation said:
Attachment is pretty normal. Look at kids, teachers and parents at a school. There are settings where people interact at a deeper level than a business, such as a school, parish, patient-doctor relationship and when there is a change, there is a sense of loss. Loss is often accompanied by anger.

Unfortunately, we direct our anger at the wrong person. In the case that you mention, it’s the new guy. Misdirected anger, while it is understandable, it not acceptable. People have to identify it and redirect it into something constructive.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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I agree, it’s normal, but not good. As Catholics, I think we especially have to be on guard for this. We are not supposed to be a Joel-Osteen-type church, revolving around a human personality.

I know, I have fallen in this way myself, when a charismatic priest left and was replaced by a quiet, more shy priest. Not that I did anything, but I kept comparing him to the priest I missed.
 
I know the mods don’t like us identifying individual parishes, but since this situation is so public, it seems to be ok. mods, feel free to remove this if it’s not.

Just to add some context to the discussion, here are the websites for the two parishes.

stmaryplatteville.org/

mystaugustine.org/
 
superamazingman said:
Just to add some context to the discussion, here are the websites for the two parishes.
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According to the websites, St. Mary Catholic Church does not offer TLM on Sunday or at Sunday vigil.

St. Augustine University Parish offers TLM at 7:30 am on Sunday, which is not exactly prime time.
 
Dale_M said:
According to the websites, St. Mary Catholic Church does not offer TLM on Sunday or at Sunday vigil.

St. Augustine University Parish offers TLM at 7:30 am on Sunday, which is not exactly prime time.
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But look how many times they have Holy Mass and access to the Sacrament of Reconciliation :eek:, if they don’t like these Priests am I allowed to rob them for the Parish near my university :o.
 
According to an article in the National Catholic Reporter, disgruntled parishioners are mainly unhappy about the reduced role of the laity, and the speed at which the changes came.

The fact that the previous pastor of St Mary had been there for eleven years and was very popular may be adding to the discontent. He was even invited to attend a fundraiser for the school which was held a couple months ago, but he declined citing prior commitments. That may have been a prudent decision.

Bishop Morlino, Fr. Ruiz and the Diocese of Madison declined to provide information to the NCR reporter.
Neither Morlino nor anyone from the diocese would respond to a request for an interview. A spokesman from the diocese wrote in an email, “We have no hope that assisting NCR with a story will result in a just reporting of the facts regarding the sad situation in Platteville.” Ruiz also did not return a reporter’s call.
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ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/wisconsin-bishop-threatens-denial-sacraments-rumors-and-gossip

:o
 
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