Bishop Niederauer to be San Francisco Archbishop

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DreadVandal:
I still think that perhaps the Vatican considers San Francisco a lost cause, so perhaps they are just shipping out the lost cause bishops to the lost cause dioceses. But, who knows?
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Maybe, but that sort of flies in the face of the good shepherd’s approach to lost sheep, doesn’t it? But then I’m still wondering why Cardinal McCarrick’s resignation wasn’t accepted this year after his antics at the bishops meeting last year with respect to then Cardinal Ratziger’s letter ( which left him in place to put a different spin on the Vatican instruction on gay seminarians than what the author seems to have intended.)
 
oat soda:
i don’t get it. never does the vatican call homosexual tendencies an orietation.
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Actually, it has:​

  • Therefore special concern and pastoral attention should be directed toward those who have this condition, lest they be led to believe that the living out of this orientation in homosexual activity is a morally acceptable option. It is not.
    1. An essential dimension of authentic pastoral care…
  1. It has been argued that the homosexual orientation…
  2. From this multi-faceted approach there are numerous advantages to be gained, not the least of which is the realization that a homosexual person, as every human being, deeply needs to be nourished at many different levels simultaneously.
  • The human person, made in the image and likeness of God, can hardly be adequately described by a reductionist reference to his or her sexual orientation.
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html ##
this guy also opposed a ban on same sex unions. i thought the vatican issued a letter specifically addressing this issue and clearly stated that under no circumstance may we as catholics support any type of offical gay unions. but it seems that levada and this guy somehow support them.
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He opposed a ban because there was already legislation to counter such unions.​

it is like the vatican says one thing, and the bishops appointed by the vatican say another? i’m confused and don’t know what is right from wrong with these conflicting messeges sent by the church.
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Confiteor:
But then I’m still wondering why Cardinal McCarrick’s resignation wasn’t accepted this year
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Obviously, the Holy Father still wants Cardinal McCarrick around. Why don’t people get over the thought that His Holiness is somehow going to put Fabian Bruskewitz in every see? Ain’t going to happen.

John
 

Actually, it has:​

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thanks for the link. i guess they do use the word orientation. i’ve never read this document, this helps a lot.
He opposed a ban because there was already legislation to counter such unions
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i thought that he supported other types of unions between two gay people and that this would ban those as well. it just isn’t that clear why he opposed something the vatican just wrote a letter about.
 
The human person, made in the image and likeness of God, can hardly be adequately described by a reductionist reference to his or her sexual orientation.
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i find this a pretty interesting topic. in the theology of the body, JPII describes how our sexuality does reflect who we are and why we are. so in this sence, we are all ontologically orientated towards complimentarity, or towards the opposite sex.

i think that one could say we should identify ourselves by our sexuality because if we know we are made in the image of God, then we know we really can’t be ontologically homosexual but only suffer from homosexual tendencies. i think this better reflects the dignity of man.

i think a more precise term is tendency because orientation almost sounds like we are born with a fixed sexual attraction and that God somehow intended certain people to be gay.
 
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Confiteor:
Maybe, but that sort of flies in the face of the good shepherd’s approach to lost sheep, doesn’t it? But then I’m still wondering why Cardinal McCarrick’s resignation wasn’t accepted this year after his antics at the bishops meeting last year with respect to then Cardinal Ratziger’s letter ( which left him in place to put a different spin on the Vatican instruction on gay seminarians than what the author seems to have intended.)
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I don’t know. Its all very confusing and disconcerting to me. One thing I recognize though is that the Catholic Church is a huge institution and so the Holy Father has quite a task in running things. I need to remember that I must temper my criticism with patience, humility, and mercy. I can easily get excessive in my negativity. For the good of the Holy Father, the Bishops, and the Church, I pray in Jesus name, Amen.
 
John Higgins:
Obviously, the Holy Father still wants Cardinal McCarrick around. Why don’t people get over the thought that His Holiness is somehow going to put Fabian Bruskewitz in every see? Ain’t going to happen.

John
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I actually wonder how many people here have actually ever been to Lincoln, Nebraska in this forum.

Pope Benedict, from where I sit, has been a very pastoral and theologically challenging holy father. I’m impressed that he is trying to cut down on the mysticism of the papacy that started to develop under his predecessor.

As one writer mentioned about him…there are those that fear that Pope Benedict will implement all of the changes he advocated for as a cardinal, and there is another group that fears he won’t implement these changes.
 
I think the folks in San Francisco will really like Bishop Niederauer. From what I have noticed, he has been teaching us more tolerance towards others here in Utah. Especially towards homosexuals and those who are suffering from addiction. That by not being hard of heart, but to care for them as we would anyone else. He also was able to build a relationship of understanding between us and the mormon church, which is a huge accomplishment. (The mormon church even offered aid to help in the restoration of our cathedral here in SLC because of this.) He has also taken a hard stand against those who are priests who harm children.

In this day and age where our numbers are dwindling, because of how our diocese has been teaching love and tolerance of one another, we are starting to gain numbers now. At my parish alone, we are gaining 400 new members this year! WOWOWOW! They are currently going through the RCIA program.

So congrats to those who are receiving our Bishop! He is a good man.
 
Homosexual Activists Cheer Appointment of New San Francisco Archbishop
Niederauer, ordained to the priesthood in 1962, is a prominent member of what some Catholic writers have dubbed the “Camarillo Mafia,” a group of liberal and dissident prelates who graduated from and/or taught at St. John’s Seminary in Camarillo, California, and who were ordained in Los Angeles in the 1950’s and ‘60’s.

The LA Times wrote that the “trail of abuse” in the Los Angeles Archdiocese and its surrounding area dioceses “leads inevitably” to St. John’s. According to the Times, 10% of St. John’s ordinands for Los Angeles from 1950 to ‘65 have been accused of molesting minors. In two classes, 1966 and 1972, a third of the graduates were later accused of molestation.
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Niederauer and San Francisco appears to be a match though maybe not made in Heaven.:hmmm:
 
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LaurainSunset:
I think the folks in San Francisco will really like Bishop Niederauer. From what I have noticed, he has been teaching us more tolerance towards others here in Utah. Especially towards homosexuals and those who are suffering from addiction. That by not being hard of heart, but to care for them as we would anyone else. He also was able to build a relationship of understanding between us and the mormon church, which is a huge accomplishment. (The mormon church even offered aid to help in the restoration of our cathedral here in SLC because of this.) He has also taken a hard stand against those who are priests who harm children.

In this day and age where our numbers are dwindling, because of how our diocese has been teaching love and tolerance of one another, we are starting to gain numbers now. At my parish alone, we are gaining 400 new members this year! WOWOWOW! They are currently going through the RCIA program.

So congrats to those who are receiving our Bishop! He is a good man.
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Laura,
Thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut on Bishop Niederauer. I was getting very frustrated that some on this thread were bashing him without knowing him. I’m so glad someone else feels the same way I do.
Maggie
 
From what I have noticed, he has been teaching us more tolerance towards others here in Utah. Especially towards homosexuals and those who are suffering from addiction.
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i understand that outreach to homosexuals is very important. but, tolerance doesn’t mean we keep the truth from them. under no circumstances can homosexuality be condoned or encouraged. these tolerance programs usually have hidden agendas which go against church teaching. i think the laity should be concerned but also should wait and see. i’m glad that to hear he did a good job in utah.
 
The laity in San Francisco should nod and smile and assume the Holy Father knows what he’s doing. They should welcome him. The laity everywhere else ought to cut the Archbishop-designate and His Holiness some slack.

John
 
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GloriaPatri4:
Are there any good bishops in California or should I just pack up right now and move to Nebraska?
Habemus Papam!
His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI
** Viva il Papa!**
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I would say (in broken Italian) “Fidisi il Papa!” – Trust the Pope!

Merry Christmas!

John
 
Sounds like he shouldn’t even be a Bishop. 😦

Maranatha said:
A NEW ARCHBISHOP FOR S.F. VIEWS
**Tolerant statements toward gays **
Homosexuals can minister as priests, Niederauer says

San Francisco’s incoming Catholic archbishop, George Niederauer, has spoken boldly in support of gay priests and has praised gay parishioners, leaders of gay Catholic organizations said Thursday.

Many in the church hierarchy have blamed the international clergy sex abuse scandal on gay priests, and the Vatican’s recent instruction on gays in the priesthood stated new rules on gay clergy were “made more urgent by the current situation.” Niederauer disputed those ideas in an interview with his diocesan newspaper in Utah.

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Are there any good bishops in California or should I just pack up right now and move to Nebraska?
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There is William Weigand in Sacramento, not sure there is anyone else though. Though moving to Southern Nebraska wouldn’t be a bad idea in itself.😉
 
Cardinal Mahony praised the appointment, calling the new archbishop a highly effective homilist and teacher. His classmate’s recent book, “Precious as Silver: Imagining Your Life With God,” is “a spiritual gem,” Cardinal Mahony said.
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That tells one a lot.
 
Cardinal Mahony praised the appointment, calling the new archbishop a highly effective homilist and teacher. His classmate’s recent book, “Precious as Silver: Imagining Your Life With God,” is “a spiritual gem,” Cardinal Mahony said.
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Joe Kelley:
That tells one a lot.
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Of course it does. Cardinal Mahony was the Principal Consecrator of Bishop Niederauer. They are in the the same Episcopal Lineage. I was recently informed by a friend that usually bishops in the same lineage are of like minds (conservative/orthodox vs. progressive/liberal). Cardinal Mahony probably consecrates bishops that are of the same mind set as himself.

Episcopal Lineage / Apostolic Succession:
 
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