Bishop on Nancy Pelosi:

[Jaypeeto3]

This is not related to Nancy Pelosi,
but I remember watching on C-SPAN in 1993
a huge Gay Pride celebration held in Washington DC partly in celebration of the victory of Bill Clinton, and the cameras showed the gays simulating anal sex while little children stood by and watched. I remember the cameras panned to one gay guy (who obviously didn’t like Christians), who looked into the camera and shouted "BRING BACK THE LIONS !! "

I think the Bishops need to take a much stronger stand against Catholic politicians who promote things that contradict Catholic Morals.

 

[vern_humphrey]

This is not related to Nancy Pelosi,
but I remember watching on C-SPAN in 1993
a huge Gay Pride celebration held in Washington DC partly in celebration of the victory of Bill Clinton, and the cameras showed the gays simulating anal sex while little children stood by and watched. I remember the cameras panned to one gay guy (who obviously didn’t like Christians), who looked into the camera and shouted "BRING BACK THE LIONS !! "

I think the Bishops need to take a much stronger stand against Catholic politicians who promote things that contradict Catholic Morals.

As Catholics, we understand both sins of commission and sins of omission. For the Bishops not to act to sternly remind the flock that abortion is the impermissible sin would seem to me to be something they ought to think about next time they go to confession.

 

[otjm]

A backlash? Like when Catholics refused to sacrifice to pagan Gods?

No. A backlash like when there is a close vote on a bill that will restrict abortions - Oh, that’s right, the Catholic Church is trying to tell us what to do, trying to force politicians to vote their way.

We lost in South Dakota. with your attitude, we will keep losing, and more innocent children will be aborted. You may choose to play cute about it. I don’t.

 

[otjm]

As Catholics, we understand both sins of commission and sins of omission. For the Bishops not to act to sternly remind the flock that abortion is the impermissible sin would seem to me to be something they ought to think about next time they go to confession.

Well, apparently you have not been listening, They do. It is just your opinion that they should do wholesale banning from Communion. They have determined that it can be done, and that the results can be worse than had they not.

About the only people who would rejoice in the poiltician(s) being banned are those who already understand the issue. That is called “Preaching to the choir”.

 

[vern_humphrey]

No. A backlash like when there is a close vote on a bill that will restrict abortions - Oh, that’s right, the Catholic Church is trying to tell us what to do, trying to force politicians to vote their way.

So the Church should not stand up for moral values?

Cruise this site a while, and you will see many Catholics who are confused about the Church’s position on morality – because the Bishops refuse to take a clear-cut stand.

We lost in South Dakota. with your attitude, we will keep losing, and more innocent children will be aborted. You may choose to play cute about it. I don’t.

You’re from South Dakora? What did you do to push the law?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Well, apparently you have not been listening, They do. It is just your opinion that they should do wholesale banning from Communion. They have determined that it can be done, and that the results can be worse than had they not.

About the only people who would rejoice in the poiltician(s) being banned are those who already understand the issue. That is called “Preaching to the choir”.

Do I detect some anger and hostility there?

Let me point out that the kid gloves approach has been tried for more than 30 years now, and hasn’t worked.

It’s time to change tactics. Even Bill Clinton says, “Doing the same thing over and over is insanity, by definition.”

 

[otjm]

So the Church should not stand up for moral values?

Cruise this site a while, and you will see many Catholics who are confused about the Church’s position on morality – because the Bishops refuse to take a clear-cut stand.

You’re from South Dakora? What did you do to push the law?

cute. Not worth much more response than that. Just, cute.

 

[StMarkEofE]

Do I detect some anger and hostility there?

Let me point out that the kid gloves approach has been tried for more than 30 years now, and hasn’t worked.

It’s time to change tactics. Even Bill Clinton says, “Doing the same thing over and over is insanity, by definition.”

It may just boil down to what the RCC considers who may be communicable nowadays. Once upon a time certain criteria had to be maintained in order to receive the host. Today it may not be so precise. Years ago however didnt find Catholic politicians in this sort of malaise ie pandering to the extremes of right or left. Their voting bases are in the extremes nowadays. However, this is no excuse to go over the side for these folks. We know you have to look at yourself in the mirror occassionally and see if what you are doing is right for your soul regardless of the consequences. Will they come to their sense is anyone’s guess.

 

[otjm]

Do I detect some anger and hostility there?

Let me point out that the kid gloves approach has been tried for more than 30 years now, and hasn’t worked.

It’s time to change tactics. Even Bill Clinton says, “Doing the same thing over and over is insanity, by definition.”

No, not anger. I save that for worthwhile things.

I have no problem whatsoever with a bishop hauling a public member of his flock and taking them to the woodshed.

I also have no problem whatsoever with a bishop deciding that there is more potential damage due to giving the appearance of manipulating politics by invoking Canon Law than there is by the potential scandal given by an abortion supporting politician continuing to receive Communion, and choosing to not take them on publicly.

 

[vern_humphrey]

No, not anger. I save that for worthwhile things.

How do you type with your fingers crossed like that?

I have no problem whatsoever with a bishop hauling a public member of his flock and taking them to the woodshed.

I also have no problem whatsoever with a bishop deciding that there is more potential damage due to giving the appearance of manipulating politics by invoking Canon Law than there is by the potential scandal given by an abortion supporting politician continuing to receive Communion, and choosing to not take them on publicly.

Would you have a problem with a bishop deciding there is more potential damage due to not sacrificing to pagan gods?

The ancient tradition of the Church is no compromise with evil. It took us from a tiny, persecuted sect to truly Catholic church. Are we now to abandon that principle?

 

[otjm]

How do you type with your fingers crossed like that?

Would you have a problem with a bishop deciding there is more potential damage due to not sacrificing to pagan gods?

The ancient tradition of the Church is no compromise with evil. It took us from a tiny, persecuted sect to truly Catholic church. Are we now to abandon that principle?

It is your opinion that failing to publicly refuse Communion to these politicians is abandoning that principle.

Bishops with more trianing in moral theology than you ahve decided differently; and not one or two of them, but the greater majority of them, and with Rome looking on. Not my opinion. Theirs.

 

[francesco920]

Well, apparently you have not been listening, They do. It is just your opinion that they should do wholesale banning from Communion. They have determined that it can be done, and that the results can be worse than had they not.

About the only people who would rejoice in the poiltician(s) being banned are those who already understand the issue. That is called “Preaching to the choir”.

otjm,

What results can be worse than allowing the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ to be received unworthily by those who do not hold the Catholic Faith? Don’t you believe it is the duty of bishops and priests to safeguard the Eucharist from sacrilege?

Also, how is it fair that moral, God-fearing Protestants are (rightfully) not allowed to receive Communion while pro-abortion/gay “marriage”/embryonic stem cell research “Catholics” are allowed to?

I think we all have to remember that we are not dealing with a mere symbol of unity when we talk about denying Communion to those who obviously have rejected the Catholic Faith. Our first priority should be the Eucharist, not the feelings of these non-Catholic “Catholics”. This is not to say that we should shun them and treat them badly…by no means! Reaching out to them and treating them in a Christian manner is very important. However, we must get our priorities straight, I think.

 

[vern_humphrey]

And what harm could be done if the Bishops firmly announced that support for abortion or the “pro-choice” position is diametrically opposition to Catholic morality? What harm could come from calling abortion what it is – the deliberate, pre-meditated murder of the most innocent and helpless of all? What harm could come from having priests state that from the pulpit?

What harm could come from having the Bishops state clearly that anyone who publicly advocates or supports abortion or the “pro-choice” position cannot licity receive communion?

What harm could come from publicly calling upon all Catholics who have supported abortion to come to confession and purge themselves of that sin?

 

[otjm]

And what harm could be done if the Bishops firmly announced that support for abortion or the “pro-choice” position is diametrically opposition to Catholic morality? What harm could come from calling abortion what it is – the deliberate, pre-meditated murder of the most innocent and helpless of all? What harm could come from having priests state that from the pulpit?

What harm could come from having the Bishops state clearly that anyone who publicly advocates or supports abortion or the “pro-choice” position cannot licity receive communion?

What harm could come from publicly calling upon all Catholics who have supported abortion to come to confession and purge themselves of that sin?

They have and they continue to do this. That is not interpreted by non-Catholics as manipulating politics. Invoking Canon Law to bar them is seen as a direct attmpt to manipulate political decisions.

 

[vern_humphrey]

They have and they continue to do this.

When? When did the American Catholic Bishops clearly say that anyone who publicly advocates or supports abortion or the “pro-choice” position cannot licity receive communion?

When did priests read that pronouncement from the pulpit?

That is not interpreted by non-Catholics as manipulating politics. Invoking Canon Law to bar them is seen as a direct attmpt to manipulate political decisions.

Then there should be no harm at all for the Bishops to publicly state abortion is murder and no Catholic who publicly advocates or supports a pro-choice position can licitly receive communion.

 

[tzarno1]

Another ridiculous thread that goes on and on and on like the absurd ‘Tomb of Jesus.’ Pretend ‘Catholics’ and self-righteous ‘Christians’ join forces with the reductionists to over-analyze the barbaric practice known as abortion in order to secure any opening that preserves the current notion that there isn’t anything that is actually ‘evil.’

 

[francesco920]

Invoking Canon Law to bar them is seen as a direct attmpt to manipulate political decisions.

The legality of baby-killing isn’t a mere political question like any other.

Communion ought to be denied to pro-abortion “Catholics” first and foremost to protect the Eucharist from sacrilege. Another reason why it should be is to send a clear message to the faithful that supporting abortion in any way is absolutely incompatible with the Catholic Faith.

What bad results could possibly outweigh those two good ones?

 

[vern_humphrey]

The legality of baby-killing isn’t a mere political question like any other.

Communion ought to be denied to pro-abortion “Catholics” first and foremost to protect the Eucharist from sacrilege. Another reason why it should be is to send a clear message to the faithful that supporting abortion in any way is absolutely incompatible with the Catholic Faith.

What bad results could possibly outweigh those two good ones?

We lay Catholics are told that there is no consideration that outweighs abortion. There are no reasons that justify abortion or allow us to support it.

Is not the same true for the Bishops?

 

[mdgspencer]

Catholic pro-abortion politicians seem to me to be people who gain the whole world and lose their soul.
Is it really worth being an important person if that is the price?

 

[KathleenElsie]

No. A backlash like when there is a close vote on a bill that will restrict abortions - Oh, that’s right, the Catholic Church is trying to tell us what to do, trying to force politicians to vote their way.
We lost in South Dakota. with your attitude, we will keep losing, and more innocent children will be aborted. You may choose to play cute about it. I don’t.

I am a Catholic and proud of it. I am a Christian and proud of it. It is my moral beliefs, life experiences, Church teachings and knowledge of right and wrong that go into the poling place with me. Life is not something to be taken lightly and must be protected it is non negotiable. For me this is a no brainier.