Bishop responds to Boy Scouts' decision on admission of homosexual members [CWN]

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And this guy is SUPER dangerous, because everyone will give his words more weight than others because he’s got a blog/he’s a writer.

His attitude is the one that will have us all say, ok, it’s ok, I’ll just stay with scouts till either my son gets his Eagle and I can get the heck out, or I’m confronted with my first gay boy. And people who could all band together now to make a point to BSA will all be persuaded by people like this guy into just letting things go and it’s going to all go down the toilet anyway…but HIS son will have his Eagle so don’t worry about the poor little guy who is just now a Tiger Cub.
 
I wouldn’t count on that. If I were them…🤓
  1. Set up pro-gay COs to replace the bailing religious COs
  2. Set up pro-gay COs in targeted areas to compete with traditional religious COs for youth and funding.
  3. Actively seek out or plant activist youth in religious units in order to spark lawsuits against COs. (Even if they are groundless, a certain number of COs will just bail to avoid the expense)
  4. Replace traditional board members with pro-gay board members at the council, regional and national level.
  5. Use the media, social media, etc to vilify the BSA for being “discriminatory”, “backwards”, etc for not letting in those fine upstanding Eagle Scouts who were good enough for Scouts when they were kids, but are all of a sudden pariah now that they are adults.
  6. I’d push the issue constantly to drive a wedge between members. And point out that it was changed once it will be changed again, making people nauseous and drive out a few more traditional members each time it’s brought up.
  7. Then when BSA does another impact “study”, there will be much lower expected loss, because those with objections will already mostly be gone.
(Don’t ask me how I would accomplish all of this. I’m just on the planning committee. :p)
I know you are being tongue-in-cheek here, but if you go to the gay activist websites and facebook pages, they do have a plan to bring in Gay Leaders and remove God from the Scouts. We need to wake up to what we are about to be subjecting our young, impressionable children to.
 
That’s the bottom line: this is the Boy scouts, not the Adult scouts. Homosexual members have been admitted in the past, went through the program and went on with their lives. What wrong just got righted with this decision? Hi, I’m openly gay? So what? But the gay/LGBT organizations already want Adult leaders and mentors, and what will they be mentoring the boys about? Listen to us and nobody else?

It’s good there are alternatives. The boat is leaking folks. Time to go to those alternatives because the instigators want the boat to go under.

Peace,
Ed
 
As I asked the attraction is to be ignored? Pretend it does not matter in certain situations? Would they hold true for male and female bathrooms?
There haven’t been many issues with this status quo, why change it?

There haven’t really been problems with “coed bathrooms”
. . . Just something we may wish to keep in mind while dealing with the deceptively subtle sophistry of the homosexual lobby / gay activists :

Of these three linked articles . . .
. . . none of them use the terminology “sexual orientation.” Any good Catholic or Christian would do well to avoid using it too.

Even if one does not have enough time to read Dr. Scott Lively’s entire, precise and thorough exposé DECIPHERING ‘GAY’ WORD-SPEAK AND LANGUAGE OF CONFUSION , if we really wish to begin to have an idea of the demon we’re dealing with, it would be highly beneficial to click the link and scroll about one third of the way down the page to the subtitled section, “Sexual Orientation” .

It illustrates exactly what we are conceding (even unwittingly) the moment we accept to use the term “sexual orientation” anywhere where the truth is desired.

Several excerpts from the pertinent section:
Has anyone ever explained to that writer that a phrase can mean more than the sum of it’s parts or something different?
Duh! Who is naive enough to think this stuff isn’t next if we don’t make a stand now?
This has been going on for over 20 years, why would it stop?
 
Small enough to be irrelevant.
How about the additional expense of a Crew having to stock more tents and having to find sites with separate shower spaces.

I presume that is sufficient reason for the BSA to remove the male\female separation restriction?
 
How about the additional expense of a Crew having to stock more tents and having to find sites with separate shower spaces.

I presume that is sufficient reason for the BSA to remove the male\female separation restriction?
I find it curious that we are told that same sex attraction is the same as heterosexual attraction. Simply a variation of normal like eye color. Then when it is pointed out to them it ought to be treated that way as in separate showers and modesty issues the argument changes, magically, to it is no big deal. They want it both ways.
 
How about the additional expense of a Crew having to stock more tents and having to find sites with separate shower spaces.

I presume that is sufficient reason for the BSA to remove the male\female separation restriction?
Most scouts have tents or get tents, if they don’t they can share, basically all campsites have either unisex single bathrooms or split bathrooms meaning little to no expense there. The amount of money saved minus inertial costs does not exceed the amount of complaining that would be generated.

Having to have a tent and separate bathroom per gay person is prohibitively expensive and to segregate them from straight males, but not from each others is hypocrisy.
 
Most scouts have tents or get tents, if they don’t they can share, basically all campsites have either unisex single bathrooms or split bathrooms meaning little to no expense there. The amount of money saved minus inertial costs does not exceed the amount of complaining that would be generated.
Why would there be complaints? Are the girls just a bunch of androphobes?? :rolleyes:
Having to have a tent and separate bathroom per gay person is prohibitively expensive and to segregate them from straight males, but not from each others is hypocrisy.
You are correct, that is why they should tent alone and not share shower facilities with others. Which is what I have been advocating for.
 
(I’ve been following the thread but not closely enough to have caught all the details. :))

First, about having separate shower/restroom facilities–that’s not necessary. Way, way back there were gang showers and old fashioned toilets with no dividing walls between them, but what I’ve seen recently are individual shower stalls. So everyone has a private shower.

If the concern is that people will see each other in various states of undress in changing areas, I suggest people avoid all such public facilities such as pools, fitness centers, school locker rooms, etc. Matter of fact, I was at a fairly new municipal recreation center that had gang showers in the men’s locker room.

Moreover, the gay Scouts are already here and among us. For them, it’s nothing new to see.

Second, while I myself was never victimized by sexual harassment, I witnessed a number of episodes where younger Scouts were sexually bullied by older Scouts–older Scouts who were, for all intents and purposes, not gay. In other words, the notion that gay Scouts will somehow take liberties to mount unwanted advances is nonsensical. If it’s going to happen next year, it’s because it’s been going on for the past 100 years.

Third, if there are any gay Scouts in my son’s unit, I hope to provide leadership as a good role model of a healthy, one man-one wife family. Maybe I can convince them to change sides.
 
Why would there be complaints? Are the girls just a bunch of androphobes?? :rolleyes:

You are correct, that is why they should tent alone and not share shower facilities with others. Which is what I have been advocating for.
Is this not like the abortion logic? It is a baby when the mother says it is. When she says it is not then abortion is fine.

Similarly same sex attraction does not matter in close quarters and only becomes important when gay activists and their allies say it is important.
 
Is this not like the abortion logic? It is a baby when the mother says it is. When she says it is not then abortion is fine.

Similarly same sex attraction does not matter in close quarters and only becomes important when gay activists and their allies say it is important.
or Buddy is an elf because he says he is.
 
(First, about having separate shower/restroom facilities–that’s not necessary. Way, way back there were gang showers and old fashioned toilets with no dividing walls between them, but what I’ve seen recently are individual shower stalls. So everyone has a private shower. .
Not at either of the local Scout camps here. The only facilities with individual showers are the larger cabins.

All of the tent sites (where the Boy Scouts camp) share two gang showers. All of the outhouses on the tent camp sites have no dividers between the holes.

There are three larger cabins that have individual showers and even co-ed restrooms. Those are traditionally used by Cub Packs, as they often have mothers with them. They also have some individual adult rooms too, in case there are a mix of fathers and mothers camping

The smaller cabins have no showers and will use the same outdoor showers as the tent sites. Their outhouses do not have dividers between the stalls either.
 
If the concern is that people will see each other in various states of undress in changing areas, I suggest people avoid all such public facilities such as pools, fitness centers, school locker rooms, etc. Matter of fact, I was at a fairly new municipal recreation center that had gang showers in the men’s locker room.

Moreover, the gay Scouts are already here and among us. For them, it’s nothing new to see. .
Yes, and I’m sure there have been occasions of boys peeking into girls locker rooms at those various locations either. That doesn’t mean that we should install a window.

Would you claim that if a boy observed a girl in a state of undress while she did not know that a boy was watching, that the boy should not be excluded from the shower as 'there is nothing new to see"
 
First, about having separate shower/restroom facilities–that’s not necessary. Way, way back there were gang showers and old fashioned toilets with no dividing walls between them, but what I’ve seen recently are individual shower stalls. So everyone has a private shower.
Some (many?) camps still have group showers.
 
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