Bishop Robert Carlson - Sioux Falls

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For those of you that have been the gift of Bishop Carlson…he is a wonderful man and you are so lucky to have him. He recently left our diocese to go to you and he is already missed tremendously!!! Please give him a chance. He has so much to offer there and he will do wonderful things! God truly sent him to you!
 
To sort of stir up FromMi’s arguments in regards to glass and earthenware used as Sacred Vessels, It hit me last friday as I was watching CNN and they had Cardinal Mahoney in LA saying Mass for the Holy Father… he was using a glass ‘chalice’- those things can break so easy! Precious metals won’t break anywhere as easy… no wonder we are told to use such wonderful and holy objects, not only for their beauty and such, but because they won’t break!

It would be a horrible thing to see Jesus’ precious Body and Blood poured out all over the floor because a sacred Vessel cracked or was dropped and busted into millions of pieces…

Amen for Bishop Carlson, who WILL adhere to authentic teaching as well as the GIRM and such, and WILL bring about CHANGE in Saginaw…

PRAISED BE JESUS CHRIST, NOW AND FOREVER!
 
grotto said:
:tsktsk: Frommi - been reading the history of your opinions. I must commend you on your ability to use the truth backwards; reminds me of the good old communist propaganda. If you really are only 28 years old you may not have been aquainted with its style but have stumbled on it thru just plain old stupidity. I hope you can regain your balance. Let me help you. Your praise and loyalty to the former Bishop of Saginaw, “Call me Ken”, is a symptom of your condition that is so gravely ill. Its the result of sincerity to the me, myself, I - want to make major change in the Catholic Church. The damage to the Faith has been incredible in the Saginaw Diocese as a result so I guess we have to hand it to Ken, he made a major change! How to be proud of being humble without humility in 10 easy lessons - strip the churches of reminders of the Faith - like statues of the Blessed Mother, after all she was no one special, no more than any other saint. So humble. Take the crucifixes out of the churches and lets just concentrate on the happy time and remove the stations of the cross too while we are at it. Forget the kneelers - nobody wants to suffer and besides you might feel guilty about something so lets get rid of the confessional - oooH, that was a biggy. But the BIGGEST - lets get rid of the tabernacle. We will say its to provide for a special place and it won’t be a distraction when the people come into the church. A good place is a small closet or backroom - stick a couple of chairs in there; don’t need anymore than that because nobody is going in there. Why do we want to get rid of the tabernacle? Because then there won’t be too many questions raised about why we don’t kneel for the Consecration at Mass
and the substance used for the Holy Eucharist can be bread like in the “Early” church (even if we put all kinds of stuff in it to make it palatable or sweet - everybody likes sweet). When everyone has accepted these changes - well almost everyone, but who cares about those so called faithful Catholics, they can go somewhere else because we are church and we are friendly. Okay, next we discourage ordaining new priests unless they
can fit our profile - open on married priests, women priests, gay priests, tolerant of abortion, contraception and shacking up - we are very friendly. We are so proud of being humble.
Well another good idea - we will have the people arise out of their chairs and walk up in front of the assembled to deposit their
offering and return to their seat - gives everyone a chance to get a good look at everyone’s appearance as they share. Conversation is more than okay - feel free to speak right up to your neighbor as they pass by or are seated next to you. After all, its fellowship.
So open, relaxed, friendly. By the way, what are we here for?
Oh, Sister Suzie will tell us in her homily after she puts on her
fancy imitation priest garments, reads the Gospel, and gets ready to “assist” the “retired” priest who sits amongst the people until his moment to consecrate the basket of bread and glasses of wine. She does everything so much better than he could because he is retired and she knows the people better than him anyway.
So friendly is Sister Suzie, so humble. She does all this because Ken told her she could. She’s special and so are the other ten “sisters” he placed in charge of parishes. Sacraments? Put
receiving First Eucharist ahead of First Confession because after all children don’t commit sins. Come to think of it not many of the people who are coming to this church are sinners - just drop personal Confession - do it as a group - General Absolution - once a year is enough - don’t want that guilt trip on anybody. See?? To be continued - I’m tired of the history.

Wow. Looks like SOMEONE is pretty happy that Bishop Ken is no longer with us.
 
Wow. Looks like SOMEONE is pretty happy that Bishop Ken is no longer with us.

I can’t believe how mean-spirited and sick some of you people are. Who would be happy about someone’s death?
 
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MBS1:
Beth, I sent him a letter when he was still in S.D., and got a fairly quick reply. Nothing meaty - just asking us to pray for him in his new ministry (which of course I’ve been doing all along). Anyone going to the luncheon at Swan Valley on April 10th? I know the woman from CUF setting it up. Maybe we can get a FORUM TABLE:rotfl: !
Don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll get a reply - he says he reads all of his mail.
MBS1
Hi MBS1,
Still going? What table? We’re at 36. Hope to say hi!
Beth:wave:
 
:blessyou: No mean spiritedness here - lots of suffering for our Faith - genuine sorrow over the abuse of the Holy Eucharsistic Mass, God Our Father, Our Blessed Mother, the Holy Father, and much prayer for conversion of souls. How wonderful it will be to have Holy Mass inaccordance with the Holy Roman Catholic Church! A soul’s
life and death are in God’s hands each one of us waiting our turn.
I pray he rests in peace.
 
Anyone here know Bishop Carlson’s words regarding the passing of our dearly beloved Holy Father, or can anyone point me to some links about his words on the passing?

My priest said in his homily today during a memorial Mass for the Pope that Bishop Carlson told him, just before the twain entered the Papal apartments one time, “Jim, beyond these doors is the closest thing to Christ on earth!”
 
bknebel, do a Google search for the Diocese of Saginaw (I think the site is www.saginaw.org, but I’m not sure). There were reflections on the site yesterday when I went there.
 
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bknebel:
To sort of stir up FromMi’s arguments in regards to glass and earthenware used as Sacred Vessels, It hit me last friday as I was watching CNN and they had Cardinal Mahoney in LA saying Mass for the Holy Father… he was using a glass ‘chalice’- those things can break so easy! Precious metals won’t break anywhere as easy… no wonder we are told to use such wonderful and holy objects, not only for their beauty and such, but because they won’t break!
It would be a horrible thing to see Jesus’ precious Body and Blood poured out all over the floor because a sacred Vessel cracked or was dropped and busted into millions of pieces…

Our parish also uses metal chalices - Church of the Holy Spirit - Sioux Falls AND I saw a marvelous segment on EWTN with Cardinal Arenze and Raymond Arroyo (World Over Live - Catholic News - 7:00pm CT Fridays) concerning taking Communion in the mouth instead of the hand - same principle as shards of glass mixed with the Precious Blood.

Cardinal Arinze supports taking Communion in the mouth - his reasoning is wonderful. The Communicant would not know if there was a tiny or minute crumb left in the palm of his hand and Jesus would then be "dropped to the floor and marched on". I pray to the Holy Spirit that Cardinal Arinze might be elected to replace our beloved John Paul II.

fromtheheart*
 
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bknebel:
My priest said in his homily today during a memorial Mass for the Pope that Bishop Carlson told him, just before the twain entered the Papal apartments one time, “Jim, beyond these doors is the closest thing to Christ on earth!”
bknebel - Your priest, when he was my priest, has shared many of his wonderful experiences while studying in Rome. I pray that Bishop Carlson will send his newly acquired seminarians (believe me they will come) in the Saginaw Diocese to study in Rome as he did ours. I know it was partially because of the state of affairs in many American seminaries but it brought to our parish large groups coming to Father Morgan’s bible studies - not only to study scripture but to share his wonderful years in Rome. Fr. Morgan’s admiration, love and respect for our former bishop- Bishop Dudley and Bishop Carlson was evident in everything he said and did.

We hungered for Father Morgan’s personal glimpses of the holiness of JPII - his escapades with other young “dedicated” seminarians - stories of visits from Bishop Carlson, etc.

Some of our seminarians in the SF Diocese while in Rome invited families to visit them - including some with older sons - and showed them “the town” and they often met with the Holy Father. What an experience!

Oh yes - Ask Fr. Morgan to one day tell you about the “holiday” they took - the incorruptable body tour!

Ah, our brothers and sisters in Saginaw, you have been blessed with our Bishop but we have the fruits of his Christ Like work - as you will … later.

God Bless you all
fromtheheart*
 
Beth,
“Hi MBS1,
Still going? What table? We’re at 36. Hope to say hi!
Beth:wave:”

Sorry, it turned out I couldn’t make it after all (the usual family responsibilities - thought that’s not always a good excuse) :o . Feel free to send me an e-mail on what you thought. Looks like this is the last page of this thread, so unless a new one starts, the discussion will be over. I’m still amazed as to how many responses there were to my simple question at the start of all this. God Bless,
MBS1
 
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The most interesting thing is that he’s part of the Charismatic movement, but also consider by many to be “a puppet of the Republican Right”.


Considering Bishop Carlson never mentioned by name a candidate for office - whether Democrat or Republican - I don’t know why he would be considered a Republican puppet. In fact, he was so careful about any and all literature handed out in the different parishes by the Respect Life representatives that we had to have everything we wanted to do during the election approved by the Diocesan Respect Life Office which is headed up by two attorneys.

In our state legislature (SD) we had proabortion republicans running for office and prolife democrats also running. IF you were following the teaching of the Church in your voting then the choices the candidate personally makes would dictate whether or not they received “orthodox Catholic votes” not the party they were affiliated with.

And yes, Carlson is the bishop who stood up to Tom Daschle and excommunicated him.

It is my understanding that Bishop Carlson DID NOT excommunicate Tom Daschle - what he said was that when a person goes against Church teaching concerning abortion he may be excommunicating himself. Formal excommunication is a long drawn out process and generally takes about 7 years. They are few and far between. The goal of the excommunication process is to bring the person back into the faith during that time through reconcilitation. Excommunication **“latae sententiae”, **is much more common.

It’s all spelled out for us and quite simple to understand, check out CCC 2269, 2270-2275
CC2269- The fifth commandment forbids doing anything with the intention of indiretly bring about a person’s death.
CCC 2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion.
CCC 2272- …The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication "latae sententiae”, “by the very commission of the offense,” and subject to conditions of Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

CCC 2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation: "The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority…

Sooooo, it seems that Daschle and many other Catholic Politicians (as well as our friends and family members in the pews) are not only not in a state of grace when they receive the Sacraments but they might not even still be Catholic.

They are all included in my prayers every single day.
For Christ and the Preborn
fromtheheart
 
From the Heart-

I bow at your knowledge!:bowdown2:

I’m impressed at the research you have done there! You are a fellow South Dakotan, correct? PM me and we’ll discuss more!
 
fromtheheart said:
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The most interesting thing is that he’s part of the Charismatic movement, but also consider by many to be “a puppet of the Republican Right”.


Considering Bishop Carlson never mentioned by name a candidate for office - whether Democrat or Republican - I don’t know why he would be considered a Republican puppet.

It is a shame that this bishop has never mentioned any candidate by name. Bishops need to make it clear so that people know what they’re talking about. Otherwise people will think they can just vote for godless candidates willy-nilly. People need to know who the godless candidates are and bishops need to stand up and be clear about it.
 
Hi gang,

I don’t know how many of you are still hanging out here, but I am asking for prayers today. I am fast approaching the time when I am going to have to have a “come to Jesus” meeting with my pastor. His oppressive manner is beginning to corrode my spirit. Yesterday he referred to Redemptionis Sacramentum as a stupid document written by an ego centric power monger. The word “projection” comes to mind.

Anyway, I feel called to stay in my present position a little longer, mainly due to some disheartened parishioners.

We had a recent “Mainstreet Meeting” with Bishop Carlson and there were many who were upset with the liturgical situation in the diocese. Those who tried to speak up were so upset that I’m not sure the bishop understood what their frustration was. There is a tendency, at least in my parish, to put on an orthodox face when the bishop is around. I’ve already been told that we will celebrate Mass differently when the bishop is here.

Please pray for me and for the people of my parish.
 
Singerlady,

It seems to me that your pastor is the true ego-centric power monger! What shameful behavior!

You are all in my prayers.

Michael
 
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msproule:
Singerlady,

It seems to me that your pastor is the true ego-centric power monger! What shameful behavior!

You are all in my prayers.

Michael
Sad, but true. I have lost one cantor and am in danger of losing 2 more. I was thinking about Bishop Carlson and how he relates to people. He is a true example of Christian behavior. I think people were expecting him to come in here, as FromMi said, with “crozier’s a-blazing” but he hasn’t. It’s kind of like when people expected the Messiah to come charging in and destroy the oppressors. Oddly enough, in Jesus’ kindness and humility, he was more of a threat than if he HAD come charging in. I love to listen to Bishop Carlson talk about his love for his ministry, about bringing people to Christ, about growing the priesthood in Saginaw - all of it. I am praying that our pastor will have - as Bishop Carlson said - a heart open to change through prayer. I am confident that Bishop Carlson will foster obedience by his own example of obedience. It really isn’t hard to see why his priests love him and why vocations thrive under his leadership.

Thank you, Michael, for your prayers.
 
Singerlady,

My heart aches for you! REmember my offer for the good ol’ dakotas!
lol seriously…

If there is a problem, bring it up to Bishop. He is one to listen and is very full of pastoral love for his flock. I’ve known him to talk personally to people around here. Very loving man.

PM me if you wish to discuss specifics. I’d be more than willing!
 
Thank you, Basil. I really appreciate the prayers. Please pray for our pastor too. More than anything, I would love to see him become the kind of priest that God wants him to be.

Before I make any decision to leave, I will be speaking directly to our pastor. He needs to know the effect he is having on people. I am confident that in the meantime, God will give me what I need to deal with the situation. If nothing changes, I will then contact Bishop Carlson. Right now the bishop has his hands full with just assessing the situation in Saginaw and with visiting the parishes. When the time is right, I will know it.

How is your diocese adjusting?
 
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singerlady:
Hi gang,

I don’t know how many of you are still hanging out here, but I am asking for prayers today. I am fast approaching the time when I am going to have to have a “come to Jesus” meeting with my pastor. His oppressive manner is beginning to corrode my spirit. Yesterday he referred to Redemptionis Sacramentum as a stupid document written by an ego centric power monger. The word “projection” comes to mind.

Anyway, I feel called to stay in my present position a little longer, mainly due to some disheartened parishioners.

We had a recent “Mainstreet Meeting” with Bishop Carlson and there were many who were upset with the liturgical situation in the diocese. Those who tried to speak up were so upset that I’m not sure the bishop understood what their frustration was. There is a tendency, at least in my parish, to put on an orthodox face when the bishop is around. I’ve already been told that we will celebrate Mass differently when the bishop is here.

Please pray for me and for the people of my parish.
Dear singerlady,

Yes, I will pray for your parish and for the whole state of Michigan, I think!

It is quite possible that your pastor is especially upset given the choice the cardinals made!

Nevertheless, for the time being I would hang in there (not for the sake of the other people - nothing so magnanimous - but for your own sake). Do keep a written record of all the things that are happening, with dates, names of other people who were there, etc. For starters, you could review your posts - a running commentary on the abuses.

I am sure you will know when the time is right, and this way, you will also have orderly “talking points” and won’t get rattled!

God bless, 🙂

Anna
 
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