Bishop Robert Carlson - Sioux Falls

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frommi:
The fervor for Eucharistic devotions confuses me quite a bit, since they really aren’t a longstanding part of our tradition. I’ve never understood why people wouldn’t ask more for the divine office to be prayed than for benediction.
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There is no comparison if you believe in the Divine Presence of our Lord in the Holy Eucharist - desire, longing, fervor, adoration, joy, all descriptions of the saints for the Holy Eucharist.

There is nothing to understand about people choosing the Benediction, it should not be a “whats up with that!” level of belittling. Try making a holy hour before the Holy Eucharist in sacred silence and adoration - talk and listen to Jesus and you will not have confusion and nonunderstanding.

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I know what frommi means here. As far as I remember Eucharistic adoration has only been around for 1 or 2 hundred years. Yet there are other much, much more ancient practices such as the liturgy of the hours that get just as little promotion in our parishes.

However, just because something is new doesn’t mean it is less worthy or not as good as another practice. The Eucharist is the source and summit of our faith and deserves a special place in our prayer and devotions and, frommi, special fervor from us the people of the Church. In addition, I think people are concerned about the reverence paid to the Eucharist because it is the real body of our Lord and so few people realize this. I have heard so many times in a catechesis on the Eucharist that we are eucharist, the body of Christ but never a word about the Real Presence. These are the subtlties that I think need attention and reform - they paint too superficial view of the Eucharist.

As far as Holy priests and stuff in Saginaw - of course there are. Is there anything wrong in saying that Carlson will promote more holiness in priest and everyone else for that matter?

Saginaw has its strengths and weaknesses and since Untener was the bishop for 25+ years he gets the credit and the blame for both. The idea though is to keep up the strengths and stregthen the weaknesses. Carlson has a reputation for strengths in the areas that Saginaw was weak like vocations and liturgy, and this is why he is there. I don’t see anything objectionable in saying this.
 
8640,

Well put! You have refined my comments perfectly! Thanks for that excellent post and clarification for all.
 
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8640:
As far as Holy priests and stuff in Saginaw - of course there are. Is there anything wrong in saying that Carlson will promote more holiness in priest and everyone else for that matter?

Saginaw has its strengths and weaknesses and since Untener was the bishop for 25+ years he gets the credit and the blame for both. The idea though is to keep up the strengths and stregthen the weaknesses. Carlson has a reputation for strengths in the areas that Saginaw was weak like vocations and liturgy, and this is why he is there. I don’t see anything objectionable in saying this.
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All I was saying was that it felt unfair to make it sound like EVERYTHING was bad. There are strengths and weaknesses in any human organization, it will happen. Although I would object that liturgy/prayer was a weakness, but that debate is pointless because it constantly comes back to bread recipes and preaching nuns.
 
but right there is your answer- the church simply does not allow nuns to preach or improper forms of bread!
 
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bknebel:
but right there is your answer- the church simply does not allow nuns to preach or improper forms of bread!
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The liturgical life of that particular diocese was prayerful and full. We were taught to look to encounter Jesus in the Eucharist, but also in the Word. So you’ll have to understand that I find it much more powerful to pray carefully over scripture and see what Jesus has to say to me that way than to sit in church and stare at a monstrance some distance away.
 
so true, FromMi… I cannot argue the point.

BUT- there’s more in the Monstrance than just a piece of bread. Its a true encounter with the Living God! Jesus is truly present! I know I don’t need to tell you that, but yet- its so true! Jesus has told us several times that he seeks our company before him in the Blessed Sacrament. (Behold I am with you always…) and many miracles have been attributed before the blessed Sacrament.

I would never say don’t study scripture, but heck, why not do both? Study scripture before the Blessed Sacrament!

I looked up information regarding Eucharistic Adoration and it has existed in some form FOR SURE since around 1264, when St. Thomas Aquinas wrote Pange Lingua Gloriosi and Tantum Ergo.

He was known to study before the Blessed Sacrament as well.
 
I’d like to add some levity to these posts…

My nine-year-old son attend a Mass celebrated by Bp. Carlson yesterday for Catholic Schools week. As has become the custom after weekday Mass at school, I always ask him what the Homily was about, to see if he was paying any attention at all during Mass. Sometimes I get sketchy responses, mostly the typical blank stare of a nine-year-old.

Yesterday evening I asked what the Bishop’s homily was about. First of all, he was very impressed by the big hat; something he had never seen worn before by Bp. Untener. As to what the homily was about, he knew it had something to do with a tape measure – (I’m still not sure what the message was) – but most importantly, he gave the Bishop the ultimate compliment a child of that age can give. He said, “I know this, it wasn’t boring!”
 
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bknebel:
so true, FromMi… I cannot argue the point.

BUT- there’s more in the Monstrance than just a piece of bread. Its a true encounter with the Living God! Jesus is truly present! I know I don’t need to tell you that, but yet- its so true! Jesus has told us several times that he seeks our company before him in the Blessed Sacrament. (Behold I am with you always…) and many miracles have been attributed before the blessed Sacrament.

I would never say don’t study scripture, but heck, why not do both? Study scripture before the Blessed Sacrament!
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I’m certainly not trying to say one is better than the other or anything.

I’m just saying that my encounters with Jesus seem to happen in a different way.

Adoration is one of those things for me that a “little goes a long way”. I have a hard time with Jesus being taken so far away and put up on an altar. I like the ability to touch, feel, and take my time with things. It’s just a difference between some of us I guess.
 
and i respect that. I’ve just gotten the opposite feeling from Adoration- that he’s right there with me, intimitely.

I cannot fault you for having your faith path. We all do. There are certain things that work for each of us. There are things such as liturgy and sacraments that the church says must be a certain way, but we all have our little faith journeys that go different ways. The rosary is for some, adoration for some, scripture, etc… the important thing there is to be faithful!
 
When is the next planned priestly ordination in the Saginaw Diocese?

When was the last?
 
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bknebel:
When is the next planned priestly ordination in the Saginaw Diocese?

When was the last?
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I think the last ordination was June 2001. I don’t know when the next one is.
 
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bknebel:
I hope good, holy vocations return to that diocese!
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Once again…

There are good and holy vocations in “that” diocese.

Now, if you want to pray for more numerous vocations to the priesthood, that would be welcome.

But there are plenty of people acting on their particular call in a good and holy way.
 
shakes a finger at Frommi

Shame on you! I never said there wasn’t! I meant that vocations would return- ie, that people who are seeking their vocations. I never once made reference that those who have persued their vocations are not holy.

Why is it that you pull that outta context and try and asume that there are not holy priests there? I never said there wasn’t…

… but that being said, there must be a problem if there are no vocations to the diocese as of current. What made the vocations drop off? THe diocese to the North of me ordains at least 5 a year. My diocese, averages 2-3. A great priest friend of mine is in a class of 8 from 2001.

I just wonder (not pointing fingers) why in a place where the population of a handful of counties is more than an entire 1/2 of my state cannot produce vocations? Whats going on?

I pray that people can follow their vocations and will have good examples in doing so!
 
bknebel said:
shakes a finger at Frommi

Shame on you! I never said there wasn’t! I meant that vocations would return- ie, that people who are seeking their vocations. I never once made reference that those who have persued their vocations are not holy.

Why is it that you pull that outta context and try and asume that there are not holy priests there? I never said there wasn’t…
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I wasn’t really pulling it out of context…

We’ve always held that vocations covers a lot of ground…priesthood, religious life, married life, single life…

So there have been many people following their vocations in “that” diocese…that’s the point I’m making.

Praying for an increase in number of priestly vocations is a good and noble prayer…but it would be an increase in number…I get nervous when people act like it will be an increase in quality, when I view those that are there in priestly service as being VERY high quality and holy individuals.

And, just to clarify…you said you hoped “good, holy vocations ‘return’ to the diocese” as though they had left, thats how I read it.
 
I meant ‘good holy vocations return…’ in the sense of… there haven’t been any ordinations in 5 years, and… if vocations come, we want them to be good and holy!

Same as here in South DAkota… our prayer for a bishop is that we will receive a good holy bishop… not saying any we’ve had weren’t good and holy, just that we would like a good holy bishop.

My prayer is that saginaw will multiply their good, holy vocations!
 
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