Bishop says tighter gun laws will help build culture of life

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If my guns never were used to commit a crime, would they still be part of the culture of death?
Perhaps. If we would use a gun to protect property at the cost of life, then yes, this is a reflection of the culture of death. If guns are used to protect life, or for for sport, then it does not contribute to the culture of death.
 
Our own Bishop has been lobbying way too hard to punish law abiding citizens with onerous gun laws, several gun owning Catholics are refusing to contribute to the annual Diocese appeal as a result, myself included.
Are you referring the appeal to the service fund to help the needy of the parish?

You do know, I hope that any short fall comes out of your parish operating budget, at least that is how it works here.
 
It’s ignorant to make blanket statements about “gun control” as if that only referred to one thing which has the same intent and effect in all cases. There are many different types of gun control measures, with various consequences. If you expect to have an actual discussion, be more specific.
I would reconsider my words referencing the men of the Church, even if you disagree.
 
Quick comment: it’s plain to see, lots of people have made an idol out of guns, these people would rather die than have their guns taken away from them, they’d feel like they lost the significant part of their identity. “In guns we trust”.
 
I agree with this bishop. I do believe we need stricter gun laws. Now, don’t get me wrong, I support the 2nd Amendment. However, I do not believe that the 2nd Amendment means we can have unlimited access to weapons and/or guns. If that were the case then your average citizen would be allowed to own an armed F-22 Raptor fighter jet or an armed tank if they wanted to. I know that’s a little bit of an extreme example but I think its gets my point across.

I see nothing wrong with responsible, non-criminal citizens owning guns. However, for those who have serious mental illnesses such as myself I believe they should be banned from owning guns. Either that or they should be able to own them but only so long as some sort of supervisory actions are taken to insure that the gun can’t be used in a massacre or other crime. I would say that at every appointment with a psychiatrist they would be screened for potentially violent thoughts. If violent thoughts occur then the weapon should be immediately removed from their premises and not given back until they no longer have such thoughts. I would also advocate that those who exhibit symptoms of serious mental illness or who have mental illness but are not under treatment should not be allowed to own a weapon. Now, don’t get me wrong, most people with mental illness are peaceful and would never commit a crime. However, it seems that the latest massacres were committed by mentally unstable criminals.

I also feel that there should be enhanced and strictly enforced laws requiring all guns to be kept under lock and key so that they are safely away from children and anyone else who shouldn’t have their hands on them.

I also support a ban on assault weapons and weapons with large magazines.

I just really don’t see the reason for people to own such weapons. I mean, come on, you don’t need a machine gun to go deer hunting. There is no reason for your average citizen to own a machine gun except for maybe as a hobby. Now, if someone wants to own one as a hobby then they should be allowed to but they must first undergo very strict screening and criminal background checks before being allowed to own one. I’d also recommend a mental health screening.

Finally, I am strongly in support of extensive background checks on ALL people purchasing a gun. I believe such background checks should include any crimes committed in foreign nations as well.

On one last note, I do wish that all primary care physicians and/or nurse practitioners would do regular mental health screenings of all patients. This is not just because of guns either. There are a lot of people out there with depression and other problems that aren’t being treated because they’ve never been diagnosed. I really feel that this step would greatly enhance the quality of mental health care in this nation which is quite poor anyway.
 
I agree with this bishop. I do believe we need stricter gun laws. Now, don’t get me wrong, I support the 2nd Amendment. However, I do not believe that the 2nd Amendment means we can have unlimited access to weapons and/or guns. If that were the case then your average citizen would be allowed to own an armed F-22 Raptor fighter jet or an armed tank if they wanted to. I know that’s a little bit of an extreme example but I think its gets my point across.

I see nothing wrong with responsible, non-criminal citizens owning guns. However, for those who have serious mental illnesses such as myself I believe they should be banned from owning guns. Either that or they should be able to own them but only so long as some sort of supervisory actions are taken to insure that the gun can’t be used in a massacre or other crime. I would say that at every appointment with a psychiatrist they would be screened for potentially violent thoughts. If violent thoughts occur then the weapon should be immediately removed from their premises and not given back until they no longer have such thoughts. I would also advocate that those who exhibit symptoms of serious mental illness or who have mental illness but are not under treatment should not be allowed to own a weapon. Now, don’t get me wrong, most people with mental illness are peaceful and would never commit a crime. However, it seems that the latest massacres were committed by mentally unstable criminals.

I also feel that there should be enhanced and strictly enforced laws requiring all guns to be kept under lock and key so that they are safely away from children and anyone else who shouldn’t have their hands on them.

I also support a ban on assault weapons and weapons with large magazines.

I just really don’t see the reason for people to own such weapons. I mean, come on, you don’t need a machine gun to go deer hunting. There is no reason for your average citizen to own a machine gun except for maybe as a hobby. Now, if someone wants to own one as a hobby then they should be allowed to but they must first undergo very strict screening and criminal background checks before being allowed to own one. I’d also recommend a mental health screening.

Finally, I am strongly in support of extensive background checks on ALL people purchasing a gun. I believe such background checks should include any crimes committed in foreign nations as well.

On one last note, I do wish that all primary care physicians and/or nurse practitioners would do regular mental health screenings of all patients. This is not just because of guns either. There are a lot of people out there with depression and other problems that aren’t being treated because they’ve never been diagnosed. I really feel that this step would greatly enhance the quality of mental health care in this nation which is quite poor anyway.
What is the official definition of an “assault weapon”?

Actually, the definition seems to be “anything you want it to be, especially if it looks scary … such as being painted black or has a handle.”

Large capacity magazines support the defender, not the offender. Cases of women defending their homes and persons, trapped in a closet with their kids, use their entire load of ammo and don’t have a way to reload. A large man can absorb a lot of bullet hits. And a person shooting normally would only score one hit in five or ten shots even at close range; whereas a home invader would most likely have better skills.

A few shots may work against one home invader, but we have YouTube evidence that often home invaders work in pairs or in fours. You need an AR-15 with a large capacity magazine to run them off. For women, an AR-15 with a short stock is an ideal home defense weapon. It has MINIMUM recoil, for one thing. It is light and easy to handle in a confined space such as a hallway or from a closet retreat space.

Mental health screenings as you described are extremely subjective. So anyone could be put away on that basis.

HOWEVER, a review of the nutcases who carried out many of the recent mass shootings turn out to have LONG HISTORIES of psychiatric diagnoses.

In some cases, the courts have REFUSED to institutionalize them.

So, it would be reasonable to have a court review people with long histories, etc. The problem is that organizations protesting the institutionalization of mental patients have won in court the RELEASE of legitimately institutionalized mental patients … because their rights were deemed to have been violated.

Does this make any sense?

It’s a little like not requiring criminals to register their illegal guns because the civil rights groups deemed that such registration would violate the Fifth Amendment rights of the criminals … not making this up.

So, until the law gets changed back, we will be having numerous potentially dangerous people walking around.

So, under the criteria you listed, law-abiding citizens could be locked up, but criminals and certified nutjobs could not be locked up.
 
What is the official definition of an “assault weapon”?

Actually, the definition seems to be “anything you want it to be, especially if it looks scary … such as being painted black or has a handle.”
The definition is not a matter of semantics. The ban of the past had a precise description of features that included guns to be banned, as would any future bans. We all know that those guns were not banned based on a single feature, but several features collectively.
 
Bishop says tighter gun laws will help build culture of life

Another bishop connects a ‘culture of life’ to more restrictive gun laws. The article states the bishop represents a bishop’s Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development.
Unfortunately the Bishops’s naive notions on gun control will do nothing to curb gun violence or “build a culture of life”. It’s a fairy-tale notion that will do nothing but make it harder for law abiding citizens to protect themselves.
 
Unfortunately the Bishops’s naive notions on gun control will do nothing to curb gun violence or “build a culture of life”. It’s a fairy-tale notion that will do nothing but make it harder for law abiding citizens to protect themselves.
Kind of hard to find out if gun control notions are naive or not, when some people’s answer is to throw more in the mix. :rolleyes:

As many have spoken out, I believe there is moral guidance in what the bishops say.
 
What is the official definition of an “assault weapon”?

Actually, the definition seems to be “anything you want it to be, especially if it looks scary … such as being painted black or has a handle.”

Large capacity magazines support the defender, not the offender. Cases of women defending their homes and persons, trapped in a closet with their kids, use their entire load of ammo and don’t have a way to reload. A large man can absorb a lot of bullet hits. And a person shooting normally would only score one hit in five or ten shots even at close range; whereas a home invader would most likely have better skills.

A few shots may work against one home invader, but we have YouTube evidence that often home invaders work in pairs or in fours. You need an AR-15 with a large capacity magazine to run them off. For women, an AR-15 with a short stock is an ideal home defense weapon. It has MINIMUM recoil, for one thing. It is light and easy to handle in a confined space such as a hallway or from a closet retreat space.

Mental health screenings as you described are extremely subjective. So anyone could be put away on that basis.

HOWEVER, a review of the nutcases who carried out many of the recent mass shootings turn out to have LONG HISTORIES of psychiatric diagnoses.

In some cases, the courts have REFUSED to institutionalize them.

So, it would be reasonable to have a court review people with long histories, etc. The problem is that organizations protesting the institutionalization of mental patients have won in court the RELEASE of legitimately institutionalized mental patients … because their rights were deemed to have been violated.

Does this make any sense?

It’s a little like not requiring criminals to register their illegal guns because the civil rights groups deemed that such registration would violate the Fifth Amendment rights of the criminals … not making this up.

So, until the law gets changed back, we will be having numerous potentially dangerous people walking around.

So, under the criteria you listed, law-abiding citizens could be locked up, but criminals and certified nutjobs could not be locked up.
Do you spend your days thinking about nightmarish scenarios where single mothers are being tortured and raped by four very skilled home invaders, and her pre-school kids are forced to watch in a state of utter shock and horror? With your line of thinking, there is going to be no end in sight, you’ll have an Uzi, knowing that, home invaders will come equipped with tear gas, Tazer guns, bullet proof vest, couple of grenades maybe. Have you considered hiring a small army so that your home is safe and your family protected?

You’re misrepresenting what Holly said, I found her post to be among the most reasonable, she’s not too lax nor too restrictive. What if you have a whole arsenal but four skilled home invaders break into your house while you’re taking a shower and can’t access your arsenal, what then? Should you keep an Uzi safely locked in your shower? Where does legitimate protection end and paranoia start? No matter what you do, no matter if you think you’ve got everything covered, you can’t keep everything negative from happening to you or your loved ones, such is the nature of life.
 
Are you referring the appeal to the service fund to help the needy of the parish?

You do know, I hope that any short fall comes out of your parish operating budget, at least that is how it works here.
There are separate other weekly offering for the various ministries that do works.

The Diocesan appeal funds the well, Diocese. Our diocese is huge and most parishes are a few people sharing 1 priest between four parishes so theres a special annual collection for the Diocese (a bit like Peters Pence).

I belong to a large statewide gun rights group that alerted its members to the Diocese pushing an anti-gun agenda in the legislature and the Catholic members drafted a letter of protest and a promise to withhold funds from the annual appeal until such lobbying stops.

Essentially we will not pay to have someone lobby against us as criminals.
 
I agree with this bishop. I do believe we need stricter gun laws. Now, don’t get me wrong, I support the 2nd Amendment. However, I do not believe that the 2nd Amendment means we can have unlimited access to weapons and/or guns. If that were the case then your average citizen would be allowed to own an armed F-22 Raptor fighter jet or an armed tank if they wanted to. I know that’s a little bit of an extreme example but I think its gets my point across.
nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/seven-year-old-boy-buys-fighter-jet-ebay-125224
Thanks to eBay, a seven-year-old London boy managed to purchase a real-life Harrier fighter jet. It was easy: All he had to do was click on a bright “buy it now” button on the auction site, send a payment of about $113,000, and he’d be ready to live out every young man’s fantasy. There was just one problem: He didn’t have the money — and his dad found out about his shopping spree.
http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/streams/2012/February/120220/62242-6018709.streams_desktop_medium.jpg

There actually is a market for second hand military vehicles like jets and tanks.

Anti-aircraft guns typically run 45k+

The point is they’re cost prohibitive enough to make them effectively unobtainable anyway.
 
Guns protect women from being raped. Guns protect children from being victimized and killed. Guns protect your family and your home.

If you do not take personal responsibility for the safety of your family and yourself, it is sin. If you take away someone else’ capability to defend themselves and their family, then the sin of their victimization is on you.

Taking away guns from law abiding citizens only helps advance the causes of criminals and of Communists. But then I repeat myself.

Molon labe.
 
Guns protect women from being raped. Guns protect children from being victimized and killed. Guns protect your family and your home.

If you do not take personal responsibility for the safety of your family and yourself, it is sin. If you take away someone else’ capability to defend themselves and their family, then the sin of their victimization is on you.

Taking away guns from law abiding citizens only helps advance the causes of criminals and of Communists. But then I repeat myself.

Molon labe.
Guns killed people in the theater, in the mall, lots of children in the school, and first responders trying to put out a fire. That’s only four instances, and not much protecting from guns there.

The teaching of the Catechism is being twisted, in my honest opinion. We have a duty to protect our families, and a right to protect ourselves; however, the Catechism speaks specifically to those with the rightful authority, such as law enforcement. It also seems no one wants to speak on other ways to protect your families, and society, which would be stricter gun controls laws.

The guns being targeted are not the only option for protecting one’s self. There are many guns not even being discussed, so it’s not as dire as some make it out to be. There are plenty more to protect with, but then I repeat myself. :rolleyes:
 
Guns killed people in the theater, in the mall, lots of children in the school, and first responders trying to put out a fire. That’s only four instances, and not much protecting from guns there.

The teaching of the Catechism is being twisted, in my honest opinion. We have a duty to protect our families, and a right to protect ourselves; however, the Catechism speaks specifically to those with the rightful authority, such as law enforcement. It also seems no one wants to speak on other ways to protect your families, and society, which would be stricter gun controls laws.

The guns being targeted are not the only option for protecting one’s self. There are many guns not even being discussed, so it’s not as dire as some make it out to be. There are plenty more to protect with, but then I repeat myself. :rolleyes:
Anyone who says that stricter gun control laws protect people is lying. And they’re lying about something very important in which people’s lives are at stake.

My wife is from Chicago. It has the strictest gun laws in the country, and the highest murder rate. You’ll find that pattern everywhere: strict gun control laws means that citizens become victims.

The reason that people in Colorado got killed in that theater is because no one had a concealed carry. That guy (a Leftist and Democrat) was a nut and a coward. If I had been there, his brains would have been paste on the wall.

Satan must love it when liberals take away guns. More women raped. More children brutalized and killed in their own homes. More innocent families massacred. More chances for tyranny. All things that Satan loves.

To me, the fact that the Democrats want to take away guns is no more surprising than that they want to massacre as many babies in the womb as possible. It is a dark and unholy sacrament.
 
Anyone who says that stricter gun control laws protect people is lying. And they’re lying about something very important in which people’s lives are at stake.

My wife is from Chicago. It has the strictest gun laws in the country, and the highest murder rate. You’ll find that pattern everywhere: strict gun control laws means that citizens become victims.

The reason that people in Colorado got killed in that theater is because no one had a concealed carry. That guy (a Leftist and Democrat) was a nut and a coward. If I had been there, his brains would have been paste on the wall.

Satan must love it when liberals take away guns. More women raped. More children brutalized and killed in their own homes. More innocent families massacred. More chances for tyranny. All things that Satan loves.

To me, the fact that the Democrats want to take away guns is no more surprising than that they want to massacre as many babies in the womb as possible. It is a dark and unholy sacrament.
I agree with the Bishop, that some stricter gun laws could be effective. That is not lying. People’s lives are NOT at stake simply by making registrations laws stricter. People’s lives are NOT at stake by requiring background checks on all gun sales. People’s lives are NOT at stake by banning a specific type gun.

Now Satan is the motivation behind the Cardinal, the Bishop, and those that agree with them? Sounds like ad hominem to me.

Let’s change the subject now? We are not a single issue Church, or people. We don’t ignore everything for one. All have their importance.
 
You don’t compromise rights for safety. When a person is breaking the law, which all these mass murderers have done before they even stepped out of the front door, it becomes a law enforcement problem.

I would like to see the statistics on the prosecution of these gun violations. If the instances of prosecutions of gun crimes are low, that is a huge problem in itself.

All these recent mass shootings the perps have been on anti depressants. It seems to me this should be the number one issue rather than a side issue and firearms rights being under assault as the number one issue.

Of course all these shootings play right into the hands of those self admittedly opposed to the private ownership of firearms, specifically Obama. It is an absolute fact that hard leftists do not agree with the private ownership of firearms as well. So you could reasonably say these perpetrators are useful idiots to long held beliefs of those on the left, with or without massacres.
 
I’m saying that if you promote gun control, what you are really, in fact, on planet Earth, promoting are rape, murder, massacre and child abuse. Because those are the effects of gun control, despite whatever verbal costume you try to put on it. As to the origin of those things, I think it is indeed obvious.

Gun control is based on deception and mendacity. And banning classes of weapon has already been ruled unconstitutional in District of Columbia v. Heller.

I understand that this is a “bandwagon” issue and I’m trying not to be too hard on anybody. But if a person publicly advocates for gun control, then part of the sin of every rape, every murder, every home invasion, every abduction that takes place in this country falls on that person’s soul because he has helped enable those actions by depriving the victims of their legitimate right, a right proclaimed and taught by the Catholic and Apostolic Church, of self-defense.

If one of your loved ones had ever been raped, you would look at things differently. But all the diabolical rites of liberalism are practiced from an ivory tower. Good for you, I suppose; I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.
 
You don’t compromise rights for safety. When a person is breaking the law, which all these mass murderers have done before they even stepped out of the front door, it becomes a law enforcement problem.

I would like to see the statistics on the prosecution of these gun violations. If the instances of prosecutions of gun crimes are low, that is a huge problem in itself.

All these recent mass shootings the perps have been on anti depressants. It seems to me this should be the number one issue rather than a side issue and firearms rights being under assault as the number one issue.

Of course all these shootings play right into the hands of those self admittedly opposed to the private ownership of firearms, specifically Obama. It is an absolute fact that hard leftists do not agree with the private ownership of firearms as well. So you could reasonably say these perpetrators are useful idiots to long held beliefs of those on the left, with or without massacres.
Christians are called to sacrifice self for others. Those rights are of the secular world, written by men. How much is it to sacrifice to stricter background/registration requirements?

I purchased a gun yesterday, from Walmart. It took about an hour, which included the background/registration requirements. I don’t consider it was a great imposition, of course I consider I am a law abiding citizen, with nothing to hide.
 
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