Bishop wants us to stand after agnus dei?

[Thaumaturgos]

Gregory24:

I have to churches all over the country and this has never been done.

the old churchrules (didaskalia, traditio romana hippolyti eg.) are forbidding to stand dutrig mass from easter sunday to pentecoast. standing in mass is a sign of reverence and shows that the lord called us brethern not servants …

standing is a long and old tradition. why do u think we stand during the gospel is proclaimed?

regard, thaumaturgos

 

[Thaumaturgos]

Della:

When people are standing their eyes and minds tend to wander, in my experience.

im glad it theirs, not ur eyes they wander …

 

[Thaumaturgos]

Joe Dunelm:

BTW We kneel here in the UK and elswhere in Europe - including St Mary Major’s and St Peter’s in Rome itself.

thats not exactly true … we in austria stand

 

[Chalice]

flamingsword:

Chalice, I hate to say it but you are wrong. The bishop does have final say over how the liturgy is to be celebrated in his diocese.

You’re wrong. The Holy See has responded on this matter. The posture one assumes after receiving Holy Communion is up to the individual. Done deal.

 

[netmilsmom]

flamingsword:

The bishop does have final say over how the liturgy is to be celebrated in his diocese.

Correct!
Nevertheless, it is also true that the liturgical norms do allow some flexibility. With reference to the central and most important liturgical action, the Mass, for example, we can speak of three levels of flexibility. First, there are in the Missal and the Lectionary some alternative texts, rites, chants, readings and blessings from which the priest celebrant can choose. (cf GIRM 24, RS 39) Then there are choices left at the competence of the diocesan bishop or the Conference of Bishops. Examples are regulation of concelebration, norms regarding the distribution of Communion under both kinds, the construction and ordering of churches, translations and some gestures. (cf SC 38, 40; GIRM 387, 390) Some such alternatives require recognitio from the Holy See. The most demanding level of variability concerns inculturation in the strictest sense. It involves action by the Conference of Bishops, after the conducting of deep interdisciplinary studies and recognitio from the Holy See.

From here…
adoremus.org/0505Arinze.html

 

[Angels_Watchin]

mosher:

The CDW has asked that dioceses not do this. Cardinal Arinze has specifically answered in a Dubium that it is an incorrect interpretation of the GIRM to mandate this in parishes.

Would you please link that document (the Card. Arinze doc.)? thank you

Angel

 

[Eliza10]

I kneel after the Agnus Dei. It just doesn’t seem right to be standing for the presentation, and the words; “This is the Lamb of God”.

When I read the story of Fatima, and the Archangel appeared with the host, the children went down on their knees so supernaturaly fast they made a noisy slam hitting the ground.

So some churches around here kneel, some stand. The one down the block here in my new neighborhood stands. I kneel. I don’t like looking separatist and drawing attention to myself but but I try to block those thoughts from my mind and simply act in obedience to what my conscience tells me honors the Lord. As far as self-consciousness, its good for humility.

 

[Chalice]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

Correct!
Nevertheless, it is also true that the liturgical norms do allow some flexibility. With reference to the central and most important liturgical action, the Mass, for example, we can speak of three levels of flexibility. First, there are in the Missal and the Lectionary some alternative texts, rites, chants, readings and blessings from which the priest celebrant can choose. (cf GIRM 24, RS 39) Then there are choices left at the competence of the diocesan bishop or the Conference of Bishops. Examples are regulation of concelebration, norms regarding the distribution of Communion under both kinds, the construction and ordering of churches, translations and some gestures. (cf SC 38, 40; GIRM 387, 390) Some such alternatives require recognitio from the Holy See. The most demanding level of variability concerns inculturation in the strictest sense. It involves action by the Conference of Bishops, after the conducting of deep interdisciplinary studies and recognitio from the Holy See.

From here…
adoremus.org/0505Arinze.html

Therfore it’s up to Rome. Done deal.

 

[carol_marie]

What do these words mean:

Angus dei ?

Sanctus ?

Great Amen ?

 

[SMHW]

carol marie:

What do these words mean:

Angus dei ?

Sanctus ?

Great Amen ?

Angus Dei = Lamb of God (who takes a way the sin of the world…)

Santus = Holy, Holy, Holy (Lord God of Hosts. Heaven and earth…)

Great Amen = (Through Him, with Him and in Him, in the unity…) AMEN!

 

[netmilsmom]

Chalice:

Therfore it’s up to Rome. Done deal.

For those thing not specifically stated, it is up to the Bishop.
And it is the Bishop’s place to set the norms for a country. It is then approved by the Holy See.

The Bishops are the shepards of each Diocese. They cannot override a Vatican directive but can give directives for those things that are vague.

Call your Bishop’s office, and they will explain it to you.

 

[carol_marie]

SMHW:

Angus Dei = Lamb of God (who takes a way the sin of the world…)

Santus = Holy, Holy, Holy (Lord God of Hosts. Heaven and earth…)

Great Amen = (Through Him, with Him and in Him, in the unity…) AMEN!

Thank you. So if the Bishop wants them to stand during the angus dei… aren’t they kneeling right before that? Would they then stand up? Or do they not kneel at all?

We kneel & then stand to say the Our Father & then we kneel until the Priest sits down. Is that the normal way?

 

[SMHW]

carol marie:

Thank you. So if the Bishop wants them to stand during the angus dei… aren’t they kneeling right before that? Would they then stand up? Or do they not kneel at all?

We kneel & then stand to say the Our Father & then we kneel until the Priest sits down. Is that the normal way?

If the bishop wishes everyone to stand the people would most likely stand for the Our Father and then remain standing through the Sign of Peace, through the Angus Dei.

I believe the bishop determines if the people kneel or stay standing for the “Lord I am Not Worthy”.