Bishop Williamson and women

[st_lucy]

College isn’t necessarily bad for women, as long as they’re going to college to pick up a feminine trade, a trade which He created us for (teaching, nursing, etc). He’s not going to call us to somewhere He doesn’t want us. If we feel called to live with manly responsibilities (granted, there are exceptions…St. Joan of Arc - my dear Patroness - and Judith) we need to pray a little bit more and be sure that He is in fact calling us, that it’s not the devil or our own passion driving us.

I find this thought very offensive. What if the women is not called to be a teacher, or a nurse?

Women have been attending college for hundreds of years, this is not a new idea.

I am going to stop here because my womanly ideas are getting the better of me and I might just say something that is very un Christian.

 

[Valke2]

I find this thought very offensive. What if the women is not called to be a teacher, or a nurse?

Women have been attending college for hundreds of years, this is not a new idea.

I am going to stop here because my womanly ideas are getting the better of me and I might just say something that is very un Christian.

University of Laundry
College of Cooking
Southern Stitching Institute

 

[look2thyheart]

It is a shame that the devil has succeded in making the most important job in the world unattractive to women. Making a home. If a women is not called to the vocation of marriage, then she is called to be a holy woman, and of course the devil has tricked todays women into thinking that doing anything in our modern world fullfills there obligation to be a holy woman. Which it does not. Modernism has blinded most on what the roles of man and woman are. Both have huge responsibilities, but both very different roles.

 

[Valke2]

I always suspected that Satan was responsible for my boss. And for Hiliary Clinton.

And for Sara Palin.

And for that hostess at China Star down the street.

 

[st_lucy]

It is a shame that the devil has succeded in making the most important job in the world unattractive to women. Making a home. If a women is not called to the vocation of marriage, then she is called to be a holy woman, and of course the devil has tricked todays women into thinking that doing anything in our modern world fullfills there obligation to be a holy woman. Which it does not. Modernism has blinded most on what the roles of man and woman are. Both have huge responsibilities, but both very different roles.

There are three (3) vocations that woman may be called to. Marriage, Religious and the single life. All three of these vocation if done properly are done to serve our Lord.

Why do some want to make little of what is God has called others to do.

 

[mantilla410]

I always suspected that Satan was responsible for my boss. And for Hiliary Clinton.

And for Sara Palin.

And for that hostess at China Star down the street.

:yup:

Alas, I may be in that same boat as I have been a newspaper reporter, a paralegal, and a field rep for local government official. Now, I help people get jobs. I may be doomed.

 

[DavidPalm]

I think it is very telling that Bp. Williamson does not cite any magisterial support whatsoever in support of his central thesis. The closest he comes is to cite St. Thomas on “why woman should not teach in Church in public”, which he then basically without argument or support suggests “can all be applied to why she should not teach or learn in a public university”. This is a stretch, to put it charitably.

The only actual magisterial authority he actually cites, Pope Pius XII, is against his thesis. And there are obviously any number of other magisterial texts that could also be deployed against him. Thus, if one assumes that he would have cited magisterial support if any were available, the harmony of his core thesis with the mind of the Church is dubious at best.

That being said, there are any number of secondary matters–such as the intrinsic dangers of co-education–on which he is on much firmer ground.

 

[Red_Meg]

College isn’t necessarily bad for women, as long as they’re going to college to pick up a feminine trade, a trade which He created us for (teaching, nursing, etc). He’s not going to call us to somewhere He doesn’t want us. If we feel called to live with manly responsibilities (granted, there are exceptions…St. Joan of Arc - my dear Patroness - and Judith) we need to pray a little bit more and be sure that He is in fact calling us, that it’s not the devil or our own passion driving us.

Could you please provide us with a complete list of suitably “feminine trades,” preferably with some citations to Church documents?

Margaret

 

[Corki]

College isn’t necessarily bad for women, **as long as they’re going to college to pick up a feminine trade, a trade which He created us for (teaching, nursing, etc). **He’s not going to call us to somewhere He doesn’t want us. If we feel called to live with manly responsibilities (granted, there are exceptions…St. Joan of Arc - my dear Patroness - and Judith) we need to pray a little bit more and be sure that He is in fact calling us, that it’s not the devil or our own passion driving us.

How do you reach a conclusion that those trades are the ones women were created for? Take for example, teaching. Until the mid-1800s almost all teachers of academic subjects were men. Nursing was not really a profession at all until modern times (Florence Nightingale) so I think it might be a stretch to say that God intended the profession to be a female one. Many other professions have switched over time. So profession/trade is driven to a great degree by social norms as much as gender and religion.

 

[Cristiano]

It is a shame that the devil has succeded in making the most important job in the world unattractive to women. Making a home. If a women is not called to the vocation of marriage, then she is called to be a holy woman, and of course the devil has tricked todays women into thinking that doing anything in our modern world fullfills there obligation to be a holy woman. Which it does not. Modernism has blinded most on what the roles of man and woman are. Both have huge responsibilities, but both very different roles.

What are you talking about marriage vs. being a holy woman?

All women and man are called to holiness!

If you talk about marriage vs. religious life then you are completely wrong. Just look at the history of religious orders for women and you will see that in a lot of cases women were not even considered if they did not have enough means to support themselves. A lot of women died single after spending most of their lives attending to their parents’ and brothers’ needs.