Bishops remain focused on 'responsible restrictions' on gun ownership

[dandingo]

The AR15 has become what’s appearing to be a choice of those with a propensity to commit mass murder. No one is taking their hands, fists, feet, etc. to commit mass murders. The public demands to feel safe in theaters, malls, schools, or any other function where they become easy targets for a deadly weapon that can kill many in a short period of time.

There was an incident in China involving a knife, that is being used as ‘proof’ of knives being dangerous, but reality is knives are not as deadly against an adult population, or even children considering the time it takes to use a knife against a group compared to a an assault rifle, or AR15 if semantics is the problem.

The topic of the thread is the focus of the bishops, who have been condemned as inexperienced, or speaking outside of moral guidance. Where is the correct voice of the Church that agrees with gun rights as is being conveyed on these forums, or the correct voice separating the issue as non-moral?

First of all, you wouldn’t even know what an AR-15 was had it not been for the mainstream media parroting the fact that it’s a so-called “assault rifle.” They rarely fail to mention that most of these gunmen also bring in handguns and do just about as much damage with them as with a rifle.

Just the other day, a man went on a rampage with a pump shotgun in Orange County, CA. Shotguns will do ENTIRELY more damage than an AR-15 within the 75 yard range. Yes, a shotgun, which Biden was adamantly advertising everyone get to protect themselves and commit felonies by blatantly shooting into the air if they hear a bump-in-the-night.

Are you starting to see irrational arguments behind this entire debate? Yes, a man in China stabbed nearly 20 children with a knife. Because none of the children died does not negate the fact that assaults can be done on a large scale WITHOUT the use of a firearm, much less an AR-15.

Heck, nearly every terrorist attack in the Middle East, Europe and even in Oklahoma City were carried out without ONE firearm. The point here is that even if every firearm were banned around the world, people will still find away to murder as many people as they can because THEY are evil, but it’ll be even easier to rape and murder because people will have nothing to protect themselves with.

I’ll repeat myself. People are evil. Firearms, gasoline, fertilizer, razor blades, 4000 lb. vehicles, knives, ropes, lamp cords and so on are not evil.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

First of all, you wouldn’t even know what an AR-15 was had it not been for the mainstream media parroting the fact that it’s a so-called “assault rifle.” They rarely fail to mention that most of these gunmen also bring in handguns and do just about as much damage with them as with a rifle.

Just the other day, a man went on a rampage with a pump shotgun in Orange County, CA. Shotguns will do ENTIRELY more damage than an AR-15 within the 75 yard range. Yes, a shotgun, which Biden was adamantly advertising everyone get to protect themselves and commit felonies by blatantly shooting into the air if they hear a bump-in-the-night.

Are you starting to see irrational arguments behind this entire debate? Yes, a man in China stabbed nearly 20 children with a knife. Because none of the children died does not negate the fact that assaults can be done on a large scale WITHOUT the use of a firearm, much less an AR-15.

Heck, nearly every terrorist attack in the Middle East, Europe and even in Oklahoma City were carried out without ONE firearm. The point here is that even if every firearm were banned around the world, people will still find away to murder as many people as they can because THEY are evil, but it’ll be even easier to rape and murder because people will have nothing to protect themselves with.

I’ll repeat myself. People are evil. Firearms, gasoline, fertilizer, razor blades, 4000 lb. vehicles, knives, ropes, lamp cords and so on are not evil.

You start off wrong. I used the M16 and knew the AR15 since it’s introduction into the civilian market.

It’s not lethality of weapons, but the weapons of choice, and the most recent mass shooters chose the AR15.

A knife could be deadly, but gives much more time and chance to the victims. The AR15 goes as fast as one can squeeze a trigger, and catch can a runner much faster than a man with a knife, especially chasing a large group of people. There’s no comparison really, but you know that.

Guns were invented, and designed, and redesigned, to be proficient at killing. The same is not true for gas, fertilizer, razor blades, vehicles, ropes, lamp cords, and even knives. When 9/11 happened, new controls went almost immediately into place. When a problem is recognized, controls go into place. There are controls on fertilizer, vehicles, and where you can carry knives, or razor blades.

All of this has been stated before…

 

[jay29]

You start off wrong. I used the M16 and knew the AR15 since it’s introduction into the civilian market.

It’s not lethality of weapons, but the weapons of choice, and the most recent mass shooters chose the AR15.

A knife could be deadly, but gives much more time and chance to the victims. The AR15 goes as fast as one can squeeze a trigger, and catch can a runner much faster than a man with a knife, especially chasing a large group of people. There’s no comparison really, but you know that.

Guns were invented, and designed, and redesigned, to be proficient at killing. The same is not true for gas, fertilizer, razor blades, vehicles, ropes, lamp cords, and even knives. When 9/11 happened, new controls went almost immediately into place. When a problem is recognized, controls go into place. There are controls on fertilizer, vehicles, and where you can carry knives, or razor blades.

All of this has been stated before…

Do you realize we have 20,000 gun laws on the books. Are you aware of that?

 

[jay29]

The Bishops don’t support gun rights? That’s contrary to their claims. “Proposals to Reduce Gun Violence: Protecting Our Communities While Respecting the Second Amendment”

Define reasonable and respecting. Most horrifying terms ever created.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

Do you realize we have 20,000 gun laws on the books. Are you aware of that?

Unless someone can tell me which gun laws are currently being enforced, and which aren’t, their opinion doesn’t mean squat.

Kind of like whether or not my family believes there should be more women in the Taiwanese Senate. Since I don’t know a single person from Taipei or Taichung, my opinion would be worth the same as the gun restrictors who can’t talk in specifics.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Do you realize we have 20,000 gun laws on the books. Are you aware of that?

Yet registration/background checks can be circumvented legally through private sales?

The number doesn’t matter, it’s the quality.

 

[jay29]

Yet registration/background checks can be circumvented legally through private sales?

The number doesn’t matter, it’s the quality.

1.) Registration should never happen in private or at gun shops in order to not help facilitate future confiscation of future outlawed guns.
2.) Background checks are fine as long as no info is recorded anywhere that can be used later to round up future outlawed guns.
3.) Quality does matter. No gun laws being proposed now would have stopped Newton. Just passing laws does not mean compliance. Over 1 million so called assault weapons are in NYS. How many do you think will be registered under the new laws? Not many.

 

[dandingo]

You start off wrong. I used the M16 and knew the AR15 since it’s introduction into the civilian market.

It’s not lethality of weapons, but the weapons of choice, and the most recent mass shooters chose the AR15.

A knife could be deadly, but gives much more time and chance to the victims. The AR15 goes as fast as one can squeeze a trigger, and catch can a runner much faster than a man with a knife, especially chasing a large group of people. There’s no comparison really, but you know that.

Guns were invented, and designed, and redesigned, to be proficient at killing. The same is not true for gas, fertilizer, razor blades, vehicles, ropes, lamp cords, and even knives. When 9/11 happened, new controls went almost immediately into place. When a problem is recognized, controls go into place. There are controls on fertilizer, vehicles, and where you can carry knives, or razor blades.

All of this has been stated before…

And do the controls and laws stop criminals from getting firearms, fertilizer, gasoline, explosive materials, razor blades or knives? If they did, we wouldn’t see crime as rampant as it is in such gun-free zones as Chicago or Detroit.

The same goes for a Saiga 12, which would immensely more devastating than an AR-15, or a Mini 14, Mini 30 or SKS. The list is endless.

Do you really not see the bigger picture? MORE laws went into place when 9/11 happened. MORE laws are going into place now that Newtown happened. NOBODY wants to address the ROOT CAUSE. Are we going to be continually inundated with new laws every time something tragic occurs?

When will it end? When will the laws supesede our Liberty and enable the criminal, or government, to overcome the righteous citizen? That question is somewhat rhetorical, as I feel as though it’s already happened.

 

[jay29]

Gun laws are not meant for the criminals. They are to control law abiding citizens who are afraid of prison.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

1.) Registration should never happen in private or at gun shops in order to not help facilitate future confiscation of future outlawed guns.
2.) Background checks are fine as long as no info is recorded anywhere that can be used later to round up future outlawed guns.
3.) Quality does matter. No gun laws being proposed now would have stopped Newton. Just passing laws does not mean compliance. Over 1 million so called assault weapons are in NYS. How many do you think will be registered under the new laws? Not many.

There’s a lot of conjecture in your ‘list’. If we are allowed to use conspiracy theories before attempting to accomplish those things He ask, and commanded of us, please show me where it is so stated.

It depends on how many real law abiding citizens there are, and interpretations of scriptures and Church teachings.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

And do the controls and laws stop criminals from getting firearms, fertilizer, gasoline, explosive materials, razor blades or knives? If they did, we wouldn’t see crime as rampant as it is in such gun-free zones as Chicago or Detroit.

The same goes for a Saiga 12, which would immensely more devastating than an AR-15, or a Mini 14, Mini 30 or SKS. The list is endless.

Do you really not see the bigger picture? MORE laws went into place when 9/11 happened. MORE laws are going into place now that Newtown happened. NOBODY wants to address the ROOT CAUSE. Are we going to be continually inundated with new laws every time something tragic occurs?

When will it end? When will the laws supesede our Liberty and enable the criminal, or government, to overcome the righteous citizen? That question is somewhat rhetorical, as I feel as though it’s already happened.

What law prevents any crime 100%? Laws are amended, changed, or added to in an effort to maximize compliance. You don’t just give up and leave every man, woman, and child to fend for themselves.

The big picture for me is that as a law abiding Christian citizen, the suggested controls are no more than minor inconveniences in the best interest of my fellow man, woman, and child. Root causes are being addressed, but there is no single cause.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

We already have laws against murder, but those laws do not stop murders from being committed.

When someone posts a sign on a building that this is a “guns free zone”, that merely advertises to criminals that they need not fear being stopped in that building.

 

[dandingo]

What law prevents any crime 100%? Laws are amended, changed, or added to in an effort to maximize compliance. You don’t just give up and leave every man, woman, and child to fend for themselves.

The big picture for me is that as a law abiding Christian citizen, the suggested controls are no more than minor inconveniences in the best interest of my fellow man, woman, and child. Root causes are being addressed, but there is no single cause.

I’ll leave this right here …

youtube.com/watch?v=fgA-Ub4uY7k

Vice President Joe Biden: "Nothing we’re going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring uh uh gun deaths down to a thousand a year from what it is now."

 

[ProVobis]

We already have laws against murder, but those laws do not stop murders from being committed.

Sure, let’s remove the murder laws as well. Should save the taxpayers court and jail time money significantly as a bonus.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

I’ll leave this right here …

youtube.com/watch?v=fgA-Ub4uY7k

Vice President Joe Biden: "Nothing we’re going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring uh uh gun deaths down to a thousand a year from what it is now."

Joe Biden was caught on camera in Washington saying that new gun control laws will notprevent another mass shooting or lower the number of gun deaths. Yet the President and Biden are telling us that we MUST pass gun control even if it saves just one life.

So, which is it? Will gun control stop mass shootings? … or not?, Joe Biden.

 

[jay29]

There’s a lot of conjecture in your ‘list’. If we are allowed to use conspiracy theories before attempting to accomplish those things He ask, and commanded of us, please show me where it is so stated.

It depends on how many real law abiding citizens there are, and interpretations of scriptures and Church teachings.

What? It’s a fact the NY Democrats wanted to confiscate certain firearms and so did Obama AT FIRST. Both NY and the White House realized they couldn’t get those through. No conspiracies here. They wanted confiscation AT FIRST. Because of their original intentions are well known, they are not to be trusted any longer. Now they try will set up everything short of their original goals and must be fought tooth and nail every step of the way.

See how easy that is? Not one bit of conspiracy.

NY has a MILLION so called assault weapons in circulation and most people will not register them. What the heck are they going to do about it? LOL

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

What? It’s a fact the NY Democrats wanted to confiscate certain firearms and so did Obama AT FIRST. Both NY and the White House realized they couldn’t get those through. No conspiracies here. They wanted confiscation AT FIRST. Because of their original intentions are well known, they are not to be trusted any longer. Now they try will set up everything short of their original goals and must be fought tooth and nail every step of the way.

See how easy that is? Not one bit of conspiracy.

NY has a MILLION so called assault weapons in circulation and most people will not register them. What the heck are they going to do about it? LOL

Certain guns is key in your post.

Law abiding citizens will comply, others won’t

 

[jay29]

Certain guns is key in your post.

ONE MILLION OF THEM!!

They wanted gun confiscation, yet we are continually told otherwise. LIARS. All of them. Maybe we ought to confiscate their guns? Maybe we ought to teach them they are our servants instead of vice versa?

Law abiding citizens will comply, others won’t

Why should anyone comply? They were legal to have before the unjust law was rammed through just like the awful Obamacare and we were constantly lied to about that!

Is that all the government can do is lie, restrict my rights, and tax the heck out of me?

 

[pnewton]

Why should anyone comply? They were legal to have before the unjust law was rammed through just like the awful Obamacare and we were constantly lied to about that!

Perhaps they should comply to avoid going to jail and having a criminal record? How much good will it be to have a weapon at home for defense whose use will land you in jail?

 

[Anthony_Joseph]

Caesar is the government. The government formed a constitution. Those rights given, or taken, are Caesar’s.

The use of guns can be an intrinsic evil, and has proven so in the theater, mall, school and against first responders, to name the most recent incidents. Because of those innocent deaths, our men of the Church are speaking out guidance.

Where are those men of the Church that are speaking in favor of gun rights?

I must respectfully correct you. The States created the Constitution. The federal government is a creation of the States and the people and the people are the final controlling authority of the US government.

The use of spoons can also in that regard be an intrinsic evil using that logic because there are lots of people who use big spoons to eat and become gluttons and get obese.