Bishops rip HHS mandate That Forces Coverage of Birth Control, Abortion Drugs

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_Abyssinia said:
Poll: Americans support contraception coverage, divided over religious exemptions

religionnews.com/politics/government-and-politics/hhs-story

It is a small sample of Catholics that were polled; I wish they would distinguish when they poll Catholics, the CINO’s and practicing Catholic, hardly any poll ever seems to do this. The USSCB has responded to the 98% of Catholics use contraception claim:

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/fact-check-bishops-conference-answers-white-house-claims-about-contraceptio/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz1liv5xQ5t
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Of course a Catholic who is a Catholic according to Church teaching is also not asked at the polling booth when they go to cast a ballot, the degree in which they are practicing.

Here is more on the polling on this issue.

Yes 58% of all Catholics agree employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception.

52% of Catholic voters agree as well

And a second poll, also released today, this one from Public Policy Polling, found similar results as the Public Religion Research Institute poll did.

In this second poll a 53 percent majority of Catholic voters, who were oversampled as part of this poll, favor the benefit.

content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2012/02/contraception-catholic-bishops-obama-hhs/1
 
Anybody with 2 or 3 synapses firing in their brain saw this coming 3 years ago…

53% of you Catholics … really frustrate me!
 
The Catholic Church believes that The Lord , in His infinte love , has given us the priesthood and power to consecrate the bread and wine , to become His living presence of holiness , mercy and Holy Spirit power , to enable His children to live by the sacred oaths , in marriage, in relationhsips with God and each other .

Contraception is telling The Lord that the couple does not want that Holy Spirti power and presence …would rather invite in, the agent of lust , selfishness and all that comes with it - family breakups , children getting more promscous as teens , health issues from all the gulit and anger related to problems in realtionships …

The Church is there , as salt and light , tp prevent and heal …

Yet , having the audacity to ask that very Church to serve as the dispensor of the curse - that She does not trust in The Lord, to give His children the power , if only they would let Him …

thus , even take away the grace to repent , since if the Church itself has becomes the dispensor, it would be falshood for Her , to ask for grace of forgiveness and healing mercy .

Thus , the powers possibly know too that this measure can have far reaching effects …

sad part is how even the so called Catholic ones have become so hard hearted …then again , may be not , because , impenitence is said to be the last stage of possession by evil …

Yet , God can do the impossible and we do not have to give up hope, of conversion of any !

and may we be very careful as to how we choose …that it be only based on the deepest hepd convictions , not on glitzy packaging aided by false propaganda …

townhall.com/columnists/terryjeffrey/2012/02/02/creators_oped/page/full/ - this on Romney, revrersing his previous ruling , to side against The Church …, even after his so called prolife conversion …

Even in case of rape , when God allows a life, it may be a calling for deep forgiveness , grace of which could overflow , to many lives - thus , Church’s teaching on the right path, even in such serious situations ( including support of all means of prevention of such ocurrences .)

Promiscuity , brought on by use of pills and such is one factor in such ciminal occurrences too - thus , prevention by advocating chaste behaviors , at all levels .

Romney also had expressed glee in how contraception is working fine !

Good thing is , this hopefully would help many , to see which candidate really has the moral authority to recognise these truths and act accordingly …

Santorum, as the name suggests - to sanctfy the storm / strong …

May the millions of Catholics and Christians who take seriously the calling to be the salt and ligt recognise what is involved and choose with wisdom !
 
Seriously.
What were 53% of Catholics thinking when they gave the reins to a man with a voting record that made the grim reaper smile.
 
CMatt25 said:
Here’s more with regard to polling on this issue.

Yes 58% of all Catholics agree employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception.

52% of Catholic voters agree as well

And a second poll, also released today, this one from Public Policy Polling, found similar results as the Public Religion Research Institute poll did.

In this second poll a 53 percent majority of Catholic voters, who were oversampled as part of this poll, favor the benefit.

content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2012/02/contraception-catholic-bishops-obama-hhs/1
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This means nothing to faithful Catholics - we don’t care about the polls because within the Church, the majority does not rule nor does democracy apply - only moral truth which we won’t compromise.
 
Tigg said:
This means nothing to faithful Catholics - we don’t care about the polls because within the Church, the majority does not rule nor does democracy apply - only moral truth which we won’t compromise.
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It’s a democracy in which the issue is being discussed.
 
1voice said:
Seriously.
What were 53% of Catholics thinking when they gave the reins to a man with a voting record that made the grim reaper smile.
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+1

Never was there a cogent moral argument for a Catholic to vote Obama/Democrat.

I followed these forums in the run up to the last election. Never, never heard anything that remotely resembled sound logic from a sound conscience when it came to anything equivalent to an evil Obama would supposedly stopped when compared to abortion. Just flamboyant rhetoric.

There is a lesson about the prince of the world here and how values are inverted to very bad ends. And it is getting worse. Super bowl half time show anyone? :mad:
 
MichaelTDoyle said:
+1

Never was there a cogent moral argument for a Catholic to vote Obama/Democrat.

I followed these forums in the run up to the last election. Never, never heard anything that remotely resembled sound logic from a sound conscience when it came to anything equivalent to an evil Obama would supposedly stopped when compared to abortion. Just flamboyant rhetoric.

There is a lesson about the prince of the world here and how values are inverted to very bad ends. And it is getting worse. Super bowl half time show anyone? :mad:
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I still think that a Catholic could vote Democrat, but (although I won’t judge) I can’t see how a Catholic could vote for Obama. There are still some sane Democrats out there you know…😃
 
Tigg said:
This means nothing to faithful Catholics - we don’t care about the polls because within the Church, the majority does not rule nor does democracy apply - only moral truth which we won’t compromise.
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It looks like 53% of Catholics already compromised it 4 years ago. 😦
 
CMatt25 said:
Here’s more with regard to polling on this issue.

Yes 58% of all Catholics agree employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception.

52% of Catholic voters agree as well

And a second poll, also released today, this one from Public Policy Polling, found similar results as the Public Religion Research Institute poll did.

In this second poll a 53 percent majority of Catholic voters, who were oversampled as part of this poll, favor the benefit.

content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2012/02/contraception-catholic-bishops-obama-hhs/1
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The poll needs to specify what kind of Catholics we are talk about, I know of Catholics who were baptized, had confirmation and that is it - they hardly ever go to go Church again, if you asked them about Church teaching they probably would not even know, and go to Church rarely or just as Easter and Christmas.

The poll is actually irrelevant - the HHS mandate is a violation of religious conscience and of the first amendment, it is not right for the state to force religious institutions to cover contraception, sterilization and aboritifcants in their health insurance, same as it is not right to force delis run by Jews to sell pork.
 
MichaelTDoyle said:
+1

Never was there a cogent moral argument for a Catholic to vote Obama/Democrat.

I followed these forums in the run up to the last election. Never, never heard anything that remotely resembled sound logic from a sound conscience when it came to anything equivalent to an evil Obama would supposedly stopped when compared to abortion. Just flamboyant rhetoric.

There is a lesson about the prince of the world here and how values are inverted to very bad ends. And it is getting worse. Super bowl half time show anyone? :mad:
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There was a choir.
 
Teresara said:
Now there are would’ve, could’ve, should’ve’s – but barring that – who is going to insure a woman with a history of breast cancer? What options do I have if it comes back? And after the recent downturn of the economy I am SOL – I need some sort of Universal Healthcare – and I realize this means we will have to pay extra for our employees.
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If no one will provide insurance it probably has more to do with government regulation. In the unregulated markets you can get all sorts of things insured. Professional athletes can be insured. Singers can have their voices insured. A Yo-Yo champs hands can be insured. So if insurance is not available the only possible cause is government. And that occurs because they write laws saying how you must cover a person you do insure and make it a money losing venture. Of course the insurance you want may be expensive. You might want future breast cancer related events treated. That would be costly since your risk is better known. No one expects accident free auto insurance rates if they’ve had ten accidents in the last year.

But you really dont want insurance. You want medical care. Insurance is just one way to get it. Another way is to save money. And another is charity. Part of the problem is insurance in the first place. The way insurance is used in America has driven up health care costs. If you go to a doctor without insurance and offer to pay cash they will usually treat you for about half the price they charge insured people. So when you look into health care costs you have to keep in mind the insurance rate is much higher than the cash rate.
 
Obama birth control mandate faces legal challenges
The courts will be the next battleground for the fight over whether the Obama administration can require religious organizations to cover birth control as part of their insurance plans.
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Two federal suits have already been filed by religious universities — one in D.C., the other in Colorado — contending that the rule violates their religious liberties. The general counsel of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops also recently vowed more litigation is to come.
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The issue has become highly politicized in an election year, and some polls have shown eroding support for President Barack Obama among Catholic voters. Catholic leaders are blasting Obama for the decision, and Mitt Romney Monday night in Colorado lashed out at the administration for seeking to curtail religious freedom.
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politico.com/news/stories/0212/72547.html
 
_Abyssinia said:
The poll needs to specify what kind of Catholics we are talk about, I know of Catholics who were baptized, had confirmation and that is it - they hardly ever go to go Church again, if you asked them about Church teaching they probably would not even know, and go to Church rarely or just as Easter and Christmas.

The poll is actually irrelevant - the HHS mandate is a violation of religious conscience and of the first amendment, it is not right for the state to force religious institutions to cover contraception, sterilization and aboritifcants in their health insurance, same as it is not right to force delis run by Jews to sell pork.
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Right and the Catholic Church’s answer is they’re Catholics, albeit perhaps non practicing. So specifying the “kind” voting in a poll or in a democracy on election day is not a need. Those Catholics have as much of a right to vote.

If the polls on this are irrelevant, why did you bring one up?
 
CMatt25 said:
Right and the Catholic Church’s answer is they’re Catholics, albeit perhaps non practicing. So specifying the “kind” voting in a poll or in a democracy on election day is not a need. Those Catholics have as much of a right to vote.

If the polls on this are irrelevant, why did you bring one up?
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I think it is very important to distinguish those who CINO’S and those who are practicing because an unequal balance will tip the scales one way or another in a poll.

I posted the poll because I was interested in hearing feedback on the poll from people on this forum.
 
Since the USCCB letter says that they cannot and will not pay for contraception, abortion and sterilization in health care policies, what are they going to do when the time comes for more than just rhetoric. Say next year rolls around and they are fined millions of dollars for not complying. What would happen to them if they refused to pay the fines? Would the bishops be sent to jail? Would the government start shutting down Catholic churches and institutions? Anyone have any idea?
 
turtle18 said:
Anyone have any idea?
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It’s crunch time, for sure. If every catholic institution in America refused to comply they’d simply HAVE to back down. There aren’t enough jails, nor are there enough buyers to pay for all our seized assets. Hammer down, bishops. I’m ready to risk it. I’ll volunteer my basement for weekly mass after they seize our parish.
 
Teresara said:
Wow- I kind of take exception to that: “Poster child?” I don’t’ think I was used – I don’t think people understand the situation is real. I’m not asking for your sympathy. Just thoughtfullness. My situation is real. There is more than “a few” of us. Do you want to pay for my 6 month Ultra-sound this month? or for the next three years of doing it? or take the fear of how to pay? or what will I do if it does come back? Will the Catholic Church insure me?
I pray and have faith in God. I can’t afford the rhetoric or ill will .
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Please read the post…people LIKE you. IOW they used individuals who had compelling but frankly rare situations to support the ill conceived idea that our entire health reimbursement system needed to be pulled under government control. As I said, there were some gaps and problems in our current system. But instead of focusing on solving the PROBLEMS and helping people who droppped through the cracks, they used these stories to gin up a “crisis” that did not exist.

The whole thing was a big government power grab of the Democrat Nanny State. We are all apparently too stupid to make decisions about our own healthcare…oh unless we want to abort a baby and THEN we are to be given free latitude to make our own choices…

At any rate this has nothing to do with the thread other than to point out that the law was full of opportunities for the Secretary of HHS to make up the rules as she went along.

Lisa
 
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