Bishops rip HHS mandate That Forces Coverage of Birth Control, Abortion Drugs

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Bubba_Switzler said:
It is prudent to conclude that this administration is untrustworthy on this issue. The root problem is Obamacare and the power that it gives to HHS. The correct solution is to uproot Obamacare.
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I second this.
That is a very different task than lobbying the administration to change it’s mind. And implicit in this is that the bishops need to come to terms with the inherent problem of viewing health care as a right.
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How are we going to help the bishops to change their view? Is it even possible?
 
Rence said:
If they were afraid that the imposition of the mandate would result in the loss of their insurance they would have voted against it in the poll. If they were repulsed by the federal government telling them what to do, they would have voted against it. I believe those who voted in favor of it in the poll are in favor of the mandate. Why wouldn’t they be? The majority of Catholics are using ABCs to begin with.
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Polls by major polling agencies don’t mean anything at all when applied to Catholics.

For starters, people claim to be Catholic who never see the inside of a Church. We have an absolutely enormous number of hangers-on who aren’t really Catholic, may no longer be Catholic, or may not have ever been Catholic. You can call it the “Sister Act” effect–you remember that movie, right?

For another, people routinely fudge on moral questions because of self-image concerns. People typically won’t admit immorality or non-compliance with church laws in a poll. Particularly if, in their own mind, they think they are doing nothing wrong even though they know they’re not supposed to be doing it.

For instance, mass attendance is known to be totally over-represented in polls. Actual head counts tell a different story than polls. I believe the head counts. 😃
 
GaryTaylor said:
Amen, in fact its the distraction, which somehow incorrect thinking draws strength from. Poor act of deception, is exactly what it is.

Fact is Catholic Teaching isn’t the focus. Its the US Constitution and Blantant disregard for it by this administration. Its UN-AMERICAN according the forefathers of this country. But then again Obama has no regard for the Constitution now does he? 🤷
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The liberal talking point of X number of Catholics use contraception, thus the mandate must be accepted is ridiculous.
 
**HHS Mandate 101

Why you should care **

nationalreview.com/articles/290510/hhs-mandate-101-interview
Ave Maria Will Not Comply

The President of Ave Maria University Jim Towey released a strong statement saying in no uncertain terms that Ave Maria University will not comply with the HHS contraceptive mandate.
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Unfortunately, a provision in the massive health care reform legislation will now force the University to either violate our core beliefs or discontinue health care coverage for our employees, and in the process, pay a steep fine to the federal government.
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This is wrong. Ave Maria University rejects this religious intolerance and **will not bow down before government regulations that are manifestly unjust**.
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blog.cardinalnewmansociety.org/2012/02/08/ave-maria-will-not-comply/
**Battle escalates over Obama rule for contraception coverage at Catholic institutions

religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/07/battle-escalates-over-obama-rule-for-contraception-coverage-at-catholic-institutions/**
Far-Left Catholycs Sticking with Obama against Religious Freedom

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26322
 
pnewton said:
I think your first statement is a mistake. The US bishops did not endorse or support any presidential candidate.
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I do not think that they did explicitly but many people were left with the impression that they did, because the American Catholic establishment kisses the Democratic party’s ugly butt every chance they get.

This development may help them to realize that religion can’t kiss government’s butt every time it turns around. Maybe we will realize that we should be in no one’s pocket–republican or democrat. We should be on the right side morally and stay there.
 
InLight247 said:
How are we going to help the bishops to change their view? Is it even possible?
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I wish I knew but I see this all as one problem. Catholics who understand the problems with Obamacare and with the view of health care as a right need to make their case to Catholics who see things differently, to enlist those Catholics who are currently sitting on their hands.

I hope that, in the process of this, the bishops will reevaluate their own position.

I have found the Acton Institute to be a great resource on this and many other issues. They are essentially, it not officially, Catholic.

Here is an article from a year ago on Obamacare:

acton.org/pub/commentary/2011/01/05/obamacare-threat-human-dignity

Get informed and make your case to the Catholic in the pew next to you. Perhaps even, as JReducation suggests, when you feel confident that you are well informed on the issue, request an audience with your bishop and make your case to him.
 
_Abyssinia said:
The liberal talking point of X number of Catholics use contraception, thus the mandate must be accepted is ridiculous.
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Agree, because there’s so much more to this.

The one thing that Catholics–right, left and indifferent–rally around is the abortion issue. This has been a uniting factor for all the elements of the church in the USA for decades.

And Catholics are, after all, citizens. And we value our constitutional rights. The government has no right to do this to us. What will they try to do to us next?
 
_Abyssinia said:
**HHS Mandate 101

Why you should care **

nationalreview.com/articles/290510/hhs-mandate-101-interview
Ave Maria Will Not Comply

The President of Ave Maria University Jim Towey released a strong statement saying in no uncertain terms that Ave Maria University will not comply with the HHS contraceptive mandate.

blog.cardinalnewmansociety.org/2012/02/08/ave-maria-will-not-comply/
Battle escalates over Obama rule for contraception coverage at Catholic institutions

religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/07/battle-escalates-over-obama-rule-for-contraception-coverage-at-catholic-institutions/
Far-Left Catholycs Sticking with Obama against Religious Freedom

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26322
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He sent a letter to the students there, too. I sent him a letter of support.
 
One of the most interesting things about this is the fact that over 90% of the bishops, regardless of political view, are protesting this action.

Over 90%! Only 8 have not spoken out formally, and of those 8, several are tied up in same-sex marriage battles in the Pacific northwest, and one is gravely ill in the hospital.

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26170

This is decidedly different than what has gone before, and we need to leave grudges behind and see this new situation for what it is. It’s a giant power grab on the part of the Obama administration, and a definite danger for us and for the church.

It is probably our job, as laypeople, to convince our bishops that neither political party is benign when it comes to wanting to run the Catholic Church. We should be “wise as serpents and gentle as doves” now more than ever.
 
iloveangels said:
Neither Catholic teaching, nor contraceptives is specifically the issue here. The issue is that this is a test case for breaking the Catholic church and her moral views, and being able to violate constitutional protections for political ends. It’s all about the sheer exercise of power.

The government needs a scapegoat and we have been chosen.
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I think so, too. If we can be broken, they can all be broken.
 
Incomplete said:
I think so, too. If we can be broken, they can all be broken.
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Yes, that is their belief and they are acting upon it.

We may have to pay fines and if we do, so be it. But we must not buckle under and go along. This will bring on the next wave of injustices.
 
I have a terrible feeling that no matter what Obama does most Catholics will be voting for him again.
 
 
jay29 said:
I have a terrible feeling that no matter what Obama does most Catholics will be voting for him again.
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Well, it’s our job to convince them not to, isn’t it?

Take heart, Jay. Over 90% of the bishops have come out against this in unison. This is the first time in my lifetime I remember this happening. Things are changing.

And even though all the bishops aren’t sometimes seen in a uniformly positive light, particularly among the CAF crowd, people do tend to pay attention to their own bishop who they generally see in a positive way. This will have an effect. It always does.

Catholics also revere religious orders, and they are also speaking out. This has an effect, particularly if individual members of religious orders speak out to the people around them.
 
iloveangels said:
Agree, because there’s so much more to this.

The one thing that Catholics–right, left and indifferent–rally around is the abortion issue. This has been a uniting factor for all the elements of the church in the USA for decades.

And Catholics are, after all, citizens. And we value our constitutional rights. The government has no right to do this to us. What will they try to do to us next?
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Not all Catholics are united around the abortion issue sadly. Some adamant Obama supporting Catholics will rally around him, ignoring the Church’s teaching.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Not all Catholics are united around the abortion issue sadly. Some adamant Obama supporting Catholics will rally around him regardless, ignoring the Church’s teaching.
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Most Catholic are anti-abortion; only a few are pro-abortion and hardcore enough to violate their own bishops and the Catholics around them. There are always a few fanatics in every group. Ignore them. We can’t do anything about them.
 
Churches Backing Obamacare Contraception/Abortifacient Mandate?
The United Methodist General Board of Church and Society, along with the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, which includes the Episcopal Church, Presbyterian Church (USA) and United Church of Christ, have stunningly endorsed Obamacare’s mandate that all religious hospitals and charities must provide insurance coverage for contraceptives, abortifacients, and sterilization, despite religious objections.
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In contrast, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, National Association of Evangelicals, Southern Baptist and Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod leaders and others have condemned the mandate as an assault on religious liberty. Megachurch pastor Rick Warren has declared: “I’d go to jail rather than cave in to a government mandate that violates what God commands us to do.”
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IRD President Mark Tooley commented:
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  *"How bizarre that these religious institutions are openly applauding a federal government imposed mandate that would override the liberty of religious institutions to uphold their own beliefs. For left-wing Mainline Protestant elites and others, are coercive government control and subsidized sexual freedom more important than religious freedom? What other government impositions on faith would these church groups support?
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  "Although Christians and other people of faith sometimes disagree on the ethics of contraception, most mainstream Christian groups, with others, rightly resist any government mandate compelling religious groups to abandon their core convictions.
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  "Shame on the United Methodist Board of Church and Society, which does not speak for most Methodists, and shame on other church groups that retain membership in the radical Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. And kudos to church groups and others that, regardless of their teaching on contraception, affirm religious freedom for all."
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christiannewswire.com/index.php?module=releases&task=view&releaseID=18894
 
iloveangels said:
Most Catholic are anti-abortion; only a few are pro-abortion and hardcore enough to violate their own bishops and the Catholics around them. There are always a few fanatics in every group. Ignore them. We can’t do anything about them.
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Actually, according to the polls, the majority of Catholics, and the majority of Americans, are opposed to abortion with exceptions, namely rape and when the woman’s life is at risk. And since some regard those who make exceptions as pro-choice, then that would mean the majority are pro-choice. In the most recent poll cited, I believe in LifeNews, only 22% of Catholics are pro-life without any exceptions.
 
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