Bishops rip HHS mandate That Forces Coverage of Birth Control, Abortion Drugs

[JimG]

Of course, this is all hindsight. But the real question to ask is: who expected this outcome? Was this a bolt out of the blue or a natural progression along a well worn path? Were Catholics who supported Obamacare betrayed or were they willfully ignorant of the obvious.

Going forward, you are not going to get anywhere by arguing that HHS has exceed its authority under Obamacare. The only chance along those lines is to argue that Congress exceeded its authority under the US Constitution, which fight has finally reached the Supreme Court. One would hope that the USCCB might join with the states fighting this evil monstrosity.

Oh, I agree with you. I don’t argue that HHS exceeded its authority. I argue that the government has ceded too much authority to bureaucrats. We have become the Regulatory Nation.

Certainly anyone could have seen this coming. And because of the power of the bureaucracy, HHS can just as easily mandate abortion coverage or assisted suicide coverage if it wants to.

 

[Ridgerunner]

With optional benefits, I may agree with you. But these are benefits that will be made across the board. As such, the cost will be distributed among all, regardless of who uses them or not.

But Obama isn’t making it optional, is he? He could, but he didn’t. And he didn’t because he wants to force Catholic institutions to either cease to be Catholic or cease to exist.

Why do you support this man in doing this? Speak frankly. Do you think somehow you will benefit from his re-election?

 

[Ridgerunner]

HHS can just as easily mandate abortion coverage or assisted suicide coverage if it wants to.

In time. Wait until Obama is re-elected.

Got to do other things now. Keep the faith.

 

[Vonier]

They’ve been pulling living human beings piecemeal out of their mother’s wombs for decades. Why should this shock and surprise anyone? It’s too late.

 

[Rence]

But Obama isn’t making it optional, is he? He could, but he didn’t. And he didn’t because he wants to force Catholic institutions to either cease to be Catholic or cease to exist.

Why do you support this man in doing this? Speak frankly. Do you think somehow you will benefit from his re-election?

It’s not that I support his re-election. I have no idea at this point who I will vote for.

I just don’t see a problem with this new mandate. It’s really as simple as that. I realize you and some others do, but I don’t.

 

[Ridgerunner]

They’ve been pulling living human beings piecemeal out of their mother’s wombs for decades. Why should this shock and surprise anyone? It’s too late.

one last post, then, tonight.

Despair is never good counsel. Obama may (and will) do everything in his power to enhance the Culture of Death in this country and to oppress the Church. But we must still do what we can. Wasn’t it Churchill who said “Never give up, never, never, never give up.”

 

[jwinch2]

With optional benefits, I may agree with you. But these are benefits that will be made across the board. As such, the cost will be distributed among all, regardless of who uses them or not.

This is exactly the point. Obama, through HHS, is forcing them to be mandatory. Thus he is forcing people to pay for them and forcing people to either provide them or get out of the healthcare business. He did not have to do this. He chose to, and he did it for a reason.

If you can force someone to cave on one thing, it is easier to get them to cave on the next. All of a sudden, we are no longer the Church that Christ founded. Or, if they are out of the game entirely because they decided not to cave, then you don’t have to deal with them the next time around. Its a win for him either way.

 

[jwinch2]

Certainly anyone could have seen this coming. And because of the power of the bureaucracy, HHS can just as easily mandate abortion coverage or assisted suicide coverage if it wants to.

Many in fact, did see this coming. Remember, the majority of the country was against Obamacare being passed. How many times in history have we seen the socialization of something as large as our entire countries healthcare, without a decrease in liberty? Our Bishops, unfortunately and for whatever reason, did not see it, or did not want to. Just think of what it would be like in a second term when there is no election to worry about.

 

[Cavman]

Holy war over health care law? Obama angers Catholic leaders

While President Obama will deliver another speech on the economy Wednesday in Northern Virginia to keep the focus on jobs, Catholic leaders across the country are warning another issue may blow up in his face come November.

Read more: foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/31/holy-war-over-health-care-law-obama-angers-catholic-leaders/#ixzz1l5VOih6E

 

[Marie5890]

Carney says balancing rights?

Balance religious rights?..Excuse me. They are already protected by the 1st Amendment. There is no balancing act needed. DUH :takethat:

Health care is not protected by the Bill of Rights.

 

[LilHomemaker]

I don’t feel anyone’s rights are being trampled on. People have the freedom to choose not to use the added benefits.

Yes, the employees have the right to not use the added benefit but the hospitals and clinics and schools are not being given the choice whether or not to help pay for these services if the employee chooses to use the benefits.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

Our Bishops, unfortunately and for whatever reason, did not see it, or did not want to.

This is what intrigues me. I would like to see an accounting if only to set the record straight.

I find it very difficult to believe the the Holy Spirit guided the bishops into this cul de sac.

And this is not the only issue confronting Catholics, it just happens to be the one that has finally forced the bishops to say “no”. It could just have easily been a requirement to perform gay marriage.

“How did it come to this?”

youtube.com/watch?v=Tzx6d5h-5Mg

 

[LilHomemaker]

It’s not that I support his re-election. I have no idea at this point who I will vote for.

I just don’t see a problem with this new mandate. It’s really as simple as that. I realize you and some others do, but I don’t.

Please reconsider your thoughts. This is very serious.

I am including a link here. I hope it helps you decide the right direction to vote. It helped me.

politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

 

[Jim_Dandy]

It isn’t just Catholic leaders who are angered by the actions of Obama and his administration!

 

[Nimzovik]

By logic, if the regulation sticks and offering the benefits becomes a requirment, all employers across the board, except those who meet the criteria for religious examption, will have to comply.

Bold Lettering mine

Nimzovik Responds

In view of Sebelious’ recent proclamation just whom might this relogious exemption be? This is the point! There is** no** religious exemption.

 

[LilHomemaker]

I work for a neurology office in a Catholic hospital, where we see a lot of stroke victims. I wish women using contraceptives could see what I see. Young girls, young women in wheelchairs or using leg braces, barely able to walk, talk or use their hands. Strokes from contraceptives.
Contraceptives kill lives and cripple lives.

Women need to stop this horrible act and the government has no right to force Catholics to help fund it.

 

[George_Stegmeir]

There’s also an amendment to the policy that should please everyone:

cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/08/01/free.birth.control/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The new policy is important because it also:

Therefore those who want birth control and sterilization can use those benefits, and those who don’t, don’t have to use those benefits. However, everyone can use all the other benefits. Which should make everyone happy because it’s a fair compromise

Pish Tish, Balderdash and total NONSENSE! This is no compromise because the Church will have to offer and pay for these onerous “services” in their health insurance policies whether or not they are used by any of their workers. This is a blatent example of Obama “spin”. If you believe it, I have a bridge in New York City for sale.

 

[Rence]

In view of Sebelious’ recent proclamation just whom might this relogious exemption be? This is the point! There is** no** religious exemption.

I don’t see why an employer should be exempt if the employer employs everyone, including who do not belong to that religion, and services those outside that religion.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

I don’t see why an employer should be exempt if the employer employs everyone, including who do not belong to that religion, and services those outside that religion.

Because you place fealty to government ahead of your Catholic faith.

But you do have a point in that those who are positioning this as a matter of conscience are merely attempting to carve out an exemption for themselves rather than taking on the inherent evil at the root.

Nobody should be forced to fund abortions. And any such law should be ignored.

 

[Rence]

But you do have a point in that those who are positioning this as a matter of conscience are merely attempting to carve out an exemption for themselves rather than taking on the inherent evil at the root.

Now that is one of the few things you’ve said that I agree with.